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Mickey the Finn · 26th July 2021, 03:38 AM

I have several kujang described by the seller as having copper and nickel pamor.

I don't know what the primary material of the blade is, but it looks like carbon steel and/ or iron. (I.e: grey metal presenting both lighter and darker hues, compared with the white metal within the "pamor").

As for the "nickel": I don't know enough about this metal to be able to say either way whether it is nickel or not. Whether or not it's nickel, aluminum, tin, coin silver, Thai silver, German silver, Peruvian silver, alpaca, or bona-fide Argentum, I don't know. I have no reason to doubt that the seller is communicating to me the most accurate information he has (which may be only what he was told by the maker, and not necessarily 100% accurate). I have no reason to believe that the guy who sold them to me did not acquire them directly from the maker, and no reason to suspect he (the guy who sold them to me) is misrepresenting the nature and/ or quality of the articles. I have no reason to believe the guy who sold them to me was not lied to by the guy he acquired them from. I do have reasons to believe that the guy who sold them to me did not acquire them from a "middle man".

I have only about seven years experience doing business with the Javanese. During this time I've learned if one does not ask questions first, it's not the fault of the seller if you get something other than what you assumed you were buying. None of the Javanese I've done business with directly (without exception) have been overtly deceptive or grossly misrepresented what they were selling to me. I've never had any grounds to complain about anything I've bought from a Javanese. Is it a sin to allow a man to deceive himself, on the other hand...? Buyer beware, and ask questions first. Pay particular attention to what is not said. Make no assumptions, and take nothing for granted. That which you look at but do not see may perhaps be what you will get... Your mileage may vary. It's entirely possible that fortune has smiled upon me an unbelievable number of times in succession...but I don't believe in the existence of fortune or luck.

I have much more experience with copper, and (to the extent of my knowledge and experience) the reddish metal within the pamor does not present an appearance inconsistent with that of copper.

My apologies for not providing photos.

26th July 2021, 03:38 AM	#13
Mickey the Finn Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 90	I have several kujang described by the seller as having copper and nickel pamor. I don't know what the primary material of the blade is, but it looks like carbon steel and/ or iron. (I.e: grey metal presenting both lighter and darker hues, compared with the white metal within the "pamor"). As for the "nickel": I don't know enough about this metal to be able to say either way whether it is nickel or not. Whether or not it's nickel, aluminum, tin, coin silver, Thai silver, German silver, Peruvian silver, alpaca, or bona-fide Argentum, I don't know. I have no reason to doubt that the seller is communicating to me the most accurate information he has (which may be only what he was told by the maker, and not necessarily 100% accurate). I have no reason to believe that the guy who sold them to me did not acquire them directly from the maker, and no reason to suspect he (the guy who sold them to me) is misrepresenting the nature and/ or quality of the articles. I have no reason to believe the guy who sold them to me was not lied to by the guy he acquired them from. I do have reasons to believe that the guy who sold them to me did not acquire them from a "middle man". I have only about seven years experience doing business with the Javanese. During this time I've learned if one does not ask questions first, it's not the fault of the seller if you get something other than what you assumed you were buying. None of the Javanese I've done business with directly (without exception) have been overtly deceptive or grossly misrepresented what they were selling to me. I've never had any grounds to complain about anything I've bought from a Javanese. Is it a sin to allow a man to deceive himself, on the other hand...? Buyer beware, and ask questions first. Pay particular attention to what is not said. Make no assumptions, and take nothing for granted. That which you look at but do not see may perhaps be what you will get... Your mileage may vary. It's entirely possible that fortune has smiled upon me an unbelievable number of times in succession...but I don't believe in the existence of fortune or luck. I have much more experience with copper, and (to the extent of my knowledge and experience) the reddish metal within the pamor does not present an appearance inconsistent with that of copper. My apologies for not providing photos.