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					Originally Posted by David R  Well, I have put "the Bat signal" up on a couple of other forums, and they reckon in knife scabbards by the late 15thC and on swords by the early 16th. Early days though yet. | 
	
 interesting, please do update any find your findings here. would be facinating to see a picture of an example.. 
im curious when people discouvered to scribe  fibe cuttung edges on them like a file    the nepali hones are just a flat hard steel with an edge.. the siberian ones are a small  narriw rectangle with of hard steel attached to the knife sheath.. both rather differentfrom european ones, but also present in the tools sheaths
, i wounder whats the oldest depection of a sharpening steel being used... how far they date back.. and how far tgeir traditional, preindustrial distribution into the near east was