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nechesh · 23rd May 2006, 04:26 AM

I dunno, Ria, my feeling is that this is probably a modern piece and as such i doubt there is any talismanic intention in it.
BTW, the passage you quote from Solyom is completely out of context. He is not even talking about keris in this passage, but explaining that other objects such as buckles, nut cutters and other small accessories might have been made out of patinated iron by mpus and may even have pamor. He explains that this was not only because the smooth black surface was considered handsome, but also because of the accepted powers associated with iron. So i don't see how this quote applies here.
I have never seen a talismanic keris sajen with kinatah before. Doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, but i am not sure that such decoration is in keeping with the intention of the keris sajen.

23rd May 2006, 04:26 AM	#9
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	I dunno, Ria, my feeling is that this is probably a modern piece and as such i doubt there is any talismanic intention in it. BTW, the passage you quote from Solyom is completely out of context. He is not even talking about keris in this passage, but explaining that other objects such as buckles, nut cutters and other small accessories might have been made out of patinated iron by mpus and may even have pamor. He explains that this was not only because the smooth black surface was considered handsome, but also because of the accepted powers associated with iron. So i don't see how this quote applies here. I have never seen a talismanic keris sajen with kinatah before. Doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, but i am not sure that such decoration is in keeping with the intention of the keris sajen.