|  12th July 2020, 02:17 PM | #4 | 
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					Originally Posted by ariel
					
				 I think both of them are European.As to terminology: both are “ Mameluke swords”  for the Europeans, both are “kilij” for the Ottomans, both are “shamshirs” for the Persians or Indo-Persians.
 |   I very much agree.
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