View Single Post
Old 28th July 2017, 05:18 AM   #41
Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Member
 
Ibrahiim al Balooshi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 3,779
Send a message via MSN to Ibrahiim al Balooshi
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gonzalo G
Ibrahiim, that description corresponds with the dressing sword of the Nasrid nobility. It was influenced by the original fighting jineta sword but they are not equal, as I said before, though they are also called "jineta". Practically there are fewer specimens of the last, since the those swords preserved were trophies from the defeated nobility, of great value and exotism by their ornamentation, but you could hardly think the Zenete Berber mass of soldiers carried the same kind of hilts, and also there is the subject of the form of the blade. The problem with the preserved Christian swords from the period, is that they are also swords used by the nobility, and as I can recall, even with Moorish blades. We have to see what kind of swords used the common cavalryman. I believe that the tendency goes to more tapered blades and hilts evolved from the Zenete fighting sword, or shorter broadswords instead, compared with those used by the rest of Christendom, in order to lighten the blade. The form of the pommel was not important, since this form was decorative and what mattered was its weight. But the quillons did matter, since they were part of a fencing technique.
Regards



Yes but I did say that it would take me a while to catch up... and you are a bout 6 posts in front... Yes of course ... we have here almost two swords... One is the Jundee Sword of the common soldier and the other is the VIP Version covered in Bling ! One could simply apply the word Hybrid and it would perhaps suffice in describing the non combat richly ornate VIP item... Thus we almost by inference identify the sword at #34 which I think is the same sword I placed at #27 as~

1 - Sword found in Sangueza: pommel is missing (XIIIth century ?, probably the oldest known) and so far as I can deduce the only old style form.

So here is the sword we may begin to compare with other Islamic weapons.

From this weapon it can be seen how artisans produced the VIP versions seen in Museums and all over this thread.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.
Ibrahiim al Balooshi is offline   Reply With Quote