Just read through some of the posts more carefully and I thought I should say some more things:
To Nechesh -- sorry for not answering your question when you asked. I was starting to question my own understanding of the pudak setegal at that point in time, so I did not want to say anything potentially wrong.
To Empu Kumis -- the gang (Paul, Dave, Adni and myself) here in Singapore looks forward to seeing you again, and I'm sure we have many things to discuss over coffee or dinner.