Hi OzHunter. Again, welcome to the Forum. Two very nice pistols that appear in very good condition. Generally, I agree with everyone above.
FIRST PISTOL: Yes, this is what collectors generally identify as an Albanian Rat Tail Pistol. And this one is typical of the style. Probably made during the second or third quarter of the 19th Century. What Andreas says that Elgood mentions in his book is as he mentions. However, I have never seen or examined (many) any of these Albanian brass stocked pistols with a full length working ramrod. They were all short, false, iron rods. (I believe the brass rods occassionaly encountered are later replacements). In fact, the short rods on these Albanian pistols are often tapered on the end to almost a point. It's my personal opinion that this was done to be utilized as a vent pick. It's also why the rods are difficult to remove now. The point end being driven in similar to a nail by someone not knowing what they are doing. However, I've found a fairly simple way to remove these rods. Let me know.
SECOND PISTOL: This is what collectors generally call an Ottoman Horse (Kubar) Pistol. And is typical of the style you encounter. The grip area of the stock on your's has the somewhat lesser encountered 18th Century Italian shape versus the more common 18th Century French style. The gun was likely made at one of the many gun making centers in the Balkans. Probably second or third quarter of the 19th Century. Again, the false ramrod being commonplace. If you can remove the lock on this pistol and take some photos of the inside, we would have a better clue if it was a European export or a locally made copy. The barrels are almost impossible to tell if imported or locally made without removing the breech plug. I've found the threads on the breach to be done different on locally made barrels vs European. These pistols were made by the thousands, often under contract with the Ottoman Empire. Unless made as a pair, you never see any two alike. Whereas the Albanian Rat Tail styles look almost identical in every one you encounter.
As mentioned above, it was preferred to load these pistols with a seperate rod (Suma) attached with a throng around the neck and tucked into the sash. I can tell you from personal shooting experience that it is easier and faster to load these pistols with a seperate, larger diameter rod than a thin metal or wood rod from under the stock, which is more prone to bending or breaking. This would be double true if re-loading from horseback. Although I've not tried that one.
Rick