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					Originally Posted by ulfberth
					
				 
				Ibrahiim these are interesting variations on the moors head. 
Jim that rapier is similar in style and so is the head. 
Here is an Italian or south German rapier around 1600 that has a makers mark head that is not crowned, this  one looks lik a roman Emperors head or could it be a moors head to ? 
In the fuller IN TE DOMINE  SPERAVI 
 
kind regards 
 
Ulfberth 
			
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 Salaams Ulfberth ... If I may quote #13 above "Italian heraldry, however, usually depicts the Moor wearing a white band around his head instead of a crown, indicating a slave who has been freed; whereas in German heraldry the Moor is shown wearing a crown".  I am however right out of my depth on this subject and invite Forum support !!  
 
Jim, Very interesting on the IAHANNI Wundes which I will have to look at on your blade marks forum site...! 
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.