The original dagger is an African piece. The precise location is not easy. The form of blade is common in the regions around the south of the Sudan. The scabbard "you say you made" is very much like scabbards from West Africa. I like the handle. The other dagger is a 19th century version of a 15th century Italian dagger , called something to do with five finger width at the forte in " Italian" All this is just to the best of my knowledge.
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