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			As a long time member I feel I must comment:Both Kastane threads, were they to be considered in corporeal form would,
 IMO, be called morbidly obese .
 I believe that the essence has become lost within the folds of 'fat' surrounding the subject under discussion; it becomes obvious that the subject here is, and will remain solely about the kastane .
 
 Gentlemen, I think theis subject has been about laid to rest; I don't believe that I am the only member that feels this way .
 I lack the necessary filter and patience to continue to swim in these waters . I expect so do many others of us here on the sidelines .
 
 I also fear for our credibility .
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