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Henk · 1st January 2005, 11:49 AM

MrGee,

Nechesh is right. The blade is not original for this dress. It might be an older blade on wich the naga was later worked out. The naga is not original and not worked out like a naga should be.
The ukiran is ivory and a very nice one and as said here more worth than the entire piece. The scabbard is not from 1753. It is from around 1900. If it came hidden in a pepper box around 1952 from Indonesia it is impossible that that scabbard was 200 years old. Wooden parts had to be replaced frequently because of the humid climate. The wrangka was originally a ladrang but as Nechesh said the flags are broken. I think your ladrang is a javanese one.

I own a similair piece. This keris is original madura. I became the keris from a colleague. After the dead of his mother last year he had to empty the house and found this keris on the attic. It was brought home by his father who was a mariner and had served there during the war. The keris hung on the wall in the living room but when his father died it was brought to the attic. He showed me the keris and the wrangka had the same damage like yours the flags were broken. I immediately recognized it as a maduran keris. He asked me what to do with this rubbish and I told him I collect this kind rubbish.

He wished me luck with it. With sandpaper I polished the wrangka in the same shape like yours.

Your pendok has a crowned weapon that probably is from the dutch influence. As Dave said as it is really old the numbers weren't written in gregorian. Madura was the part of Indonesia that was most loyal to the dutch and they used dutch crowns and dutch military emblems on their ukirans. So for a maduran pendok a crowned shield is not unlikely. For a javanese one it is rather uncommon.

The picture of the wrangka is too dark. If it is maduran it should have at the bottom of the longest side of the wrangka a small curving in a flowerlike motiv. But your wrangka is rather long and a maduran is shorter an more rounder.

This was an original madura wrangka ladrang. The ukiran is bone.

This is an original madura ladrang.

1st January 2005, 11:49 AM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	MrGee, Nechesh is right. The blade is not original for this dress. It might be an older blade on wich the naga was later worked out. The naga is not original and not worked out like a naga should be. The ukiran is ivory and a very nice one and as said here more worth than the entire piece. The scabbard is not from 1753. It is from around 1900. If it came hidden in a pepper box around 1952 from Indonesia it is impossible that that scabbard was 200 years old. Wooden parts had to be replaced frequently because of the humid climate. The wrangka was originally a ladrang but as Nechesh said the flags are broken. I think your ladrang is a javanese one. I own a similair piece. This keris is original madura. I became the keris from a colleague. After the dead of his mother last year he had to empty the house and found this keris on the attic. It was brought home by his father who was a mariner and had served there during the war. The keris hung on the wall in the living room but when his father died it was brought to the attic. He showed me the keris and the wrangka had the same damage like yours the flags were broken. I immediately recognized it as a maduran keris. He asked me what to do with this rubbish and I told him I collect this kind rubbish. He wished me luck with it. With sandpaper I polished the wrangka in the same shape like yours. Your pendok has a crowned weapon that probably is from the dutch influence. As Dave said as it is really old the numbers weren't written in gregorian. Madura was the part of Indonesia that was most loyal to the dutch and they used dutch crowns and dutch military emblems on their ukirans. So for a maduran pendok a crowned shield is not unlikely. For a javanese one it is rather uncommon. The picture of the wrangka is too dark. If it is maduran it should have at the bottom of the longest side of the wrangka a small curving in a flowerlike motiv. But your wrangka is rather long and a maduran is shorter an more rounder. This was an original madura wrangka ladrang. The ukiran is bone. This is an original madura ladrang. Last edited by Henk; 1st January 2005 at 12:28 PM.