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			I can understand Alan's concerns about drift from the example Detlef started the topic with.  Perhaps we are not even half way through?  In many ways I see the only point of this forum is to drift or remain forever stuck on a straight line.  Plenty of time to return to the start after cogitation of all similar forms.  This brings to mind a saying equally relevant to arts and crafts that "no man is an island"
 This is the example Barry brings to note from "Stone"  it is actually quite a bit larger.  Have an 8 inch blade and the handle is horn 24 inches long.  I would say that was a substantial weapon.
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