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ganjawulung · 17th April 2010, 03:53 AM

Dear Heinz, Detlef,
One of the easiest way to differ 11 luks sabuk inten and carita is by examining the "lambe gajah". Carita must have two "lambe gajah", and Sabuk Inten must have only one "lambe gajah"... Of course, you may examining other details too.

It happens too, in examining the difference between dhapurs 13 luks of Parung Sari and Sengkelat. They have the same ricikans, except on "lambe gajah". Parung sari, definitely has two lambe gajah, while Sengkelat only one lambe gajah...

These two blades below, supposed to be Carita Keprabon (royal Carita, the one with ron dha nunut) and the other one, Carita Prasaja (simple Carita). You may see the two lambe gajah too..

Is it important, to know keris dhapur names? (More than 70 names of keris dhapurs). Yes, of course. This is one of what you may say as "intangible heritage" of our keris culture in Java, beside pamor (more than 120 kinds of pamor) and tangguh -- as mentioned too by the UNESCO in 2005...
The problem is, almost no one who could be regarded as "the most knowledgeable" in such knowledge. (In Kraton Solo now, at least such person as Pak Ngabei Sukat -- the Pengageng Reksa Pusaka -- the one who take care of the kraton pusakas -- is one of them. In Kraton Yogyakarta? Then, Mr Boedhy Adhitya knows better than me who is in charge of Pengageng Reksa Pusaka there...)

GANJAWULUNG

17th April 2010, 03:53 AM	#14
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Dear Heinz, Detlef, One of the easiest way to differ 11 luks sabuk inten and carita is by examining the "lambe gajah". Carita must have two "lambe gajah", and Sabuk Inten must have only one "lambe gajah"... Of course, you may examining other details too. It happens too, in examining the difference between dhapurs 13 luks of Parung Sari and Sengkelat. They have the same ricikans, except on "lambe gajah". Parung sari, definitely has two lambe gajah, while Sengkelat only one lambe gajah... These two blades below, supposed to be Carita Keprabon (royal Carita, the one with ron dha nunut) and the other one, Carita Prasaja (simple Carita). You may see the two lambe gajah too.. Is it important, to know keris dhapur names? (More than 70 names of keris dhapurs). Yes, of course. This is one of what you may say as "intangible heritage" of our keris culture in Java, beside pamor (more than 120 kinds of pamor) and tangguh -- as mentioned too by the UNESCO in 2005... The problem is, almost no one who could be regarded as "the most knowledgeable" in such knowledge. (In Kraton Solo now, at least such person as Pak Ngabei Sukat -- the Pengageng Reksa Pusaka -- the one who take care of the kraton pusakas -- is one of them. In Kraton Yogyakarta? Then, Mr Boedhy Adhitya knows better than me who is in charge of Pengageng Reksa Pusaka there...) GANJAWULUNG Attached Images Last edited by ganjawulung; 17th April 2010 at 12:38 PM.