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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 18th May 2015, 04:52 PM
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Posted By Maurice
Hello Fried, You have a good old Batak...

Hello Fried,

You have a good old Batak podang with VOC blade.
I have seen several podangs with VOC blade and it is always nice seeing one pop up here or there.

Best wishes,
Maurice
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 5th May 2014, 09:51 PM
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Posted By Maurice
PS I think the VOC mark would make the item much...

PS I think the VOC mark would make the item much more valuable to collect.
For instance how much would you give for the lid of a chest with VOC mark, and how much would you pay for the same lid...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 5th May 2014, 06:07 PM
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Posted By Maurice
Though this javanese with VOC mark seems also to...

Though this javanese with VOC mark seems also to be collected early!
(From the Zeeuws Museum in Middelburg).
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 5th May 2014, 05:59 PM
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Posted By Maurice
Hi Willem, Here a close up photo I have made...

Hi Willem,

Here a close up photo I have made last week visiting the museum.

I was a kind of in a hurry, but if I'm right it was from a donation somewhere in the 20th century..
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th February 2014, 02:47 PM
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Posted By Maurice
And a Borneo lance, donated by Herman Celosse to...

And a Borneo lance, donated by Herman Celosse to the Bronbeek museum Arnhem in 2012.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th February 2014, 02:19 PM
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Posted By Maurice
Good idea Erik! Here three swords with VOC...

Good idea Erik!

Here three swords with VOC dated blades in the Tropenmuseum collection of Amsterdam.
Two Timor swords, and one Batak sword.
One Timor sword came in the collection in 1887, and I...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 27th February 2014, 04:39 PM
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Posted By Maurice
Thank you Willem for posting your Javanese...

Thank you Willem for posting your Javanese pedang.
Most of the Indonesian swords with the VOC mark in the blade seems to be from Java.
As the Dutch were very dominant in their present overhere (we...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 26th February 2014, 09:25 AM
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Posted By Maurice
VOC blade

@ Erik: Thank you for posting this one. Now we have an example from before 1903! As we know Bataks allready made touristic items at the end of the 19th century, this is not the case here.
I don't...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 21st February 2014, 05:03 PM
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Posted By Maurice
The Dutch Lion is a symbol of heraldry. ...

The Dutch Lion is a symbol of heraldry.
Allready in the earliest heraldry works we find lions, symbol of strength, on weapon shields.

Maurice
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 20th February 2014, 08:08 PM
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Views: 49,864
Posted By Maurice
Before we are looking and discussing at the VOC...

Before we are looking and discussing at the VOC stamps on swordblades, it might be usefull to look on what other items these marks are found.

I've added some images: A VOC latern, dated between...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 20th February 2014, 07:43 PM
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Posted By Maurice
Hello Ibrahiim, OK thank you for noticing. I...

Hello Ibrahiim,

OK thank you for noticing. I really didn't know they were, all I could get from the text was that they were natives, but employed by the VOC.

I'll post more on the subject...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 20th February 2014, 02:39 PM
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Posted By Maurice
Hello Ibrahiim, Thank you for your input....

Hello Ibrahiim,

Thank you for your input. But I have to debunk your perspective according the people standing in the left.
The text I've added about the drawing had been written by the drawer...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 20th February 2014, 09:56 AM
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Posted By Maurice
Hello Jim. Maybe it's nice to have a look at the...

Hello Jim. Maybe it's nice to have a look at the following image, which had been drawned by Jan Brandes in 1785.
It's a scene around a show piece with the VOC emblem.
To the left we see the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 20th February 2014, 09:43 AM
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Posted By Maurice
Hello Kai, I understand what's your point...

Hello Kai,

I understand what's your point here, and I agree about that!


They are certainly widespread, but most of the time it is a select kind of swords which have those VOC blades. Like the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 16th February 2014, 10:44 PM
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Views: 49,864
Posted By Maurice
Thank you Willem for bringing it up. Indeed...

Thank you Willem for bringing it up.

Indeed very strange that most of the VOC blades are timor swords.
I don't know about Timor a lot, did they had own blacksmiths? If not that could be a reason...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 16th February 2014, 10:39 PM
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Posted By Maurice
It's good bringing this one up Detlef. It...

It's good bringing this one up Detlef.
It seemed that trade blades were used also in the latter period (after the
VOC time).

Kind regards,
Maurice
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 16th February 2014, 01:00 PM
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Posted By Maurice
Yes many examples around. But which ones are...

Yes many examples around. But which ones are fake, and which ones are real? Are there real VOC stamps on blades?
I need to see that on provenanced pieces, not on the examples which I can find on the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th February 2014, 05:18 PM
Replies: 76
Views: 49,864
Posted By Maurice
Good idea to give this a good research. Once I...

Good idea to give this a good research.
Once I tried to research these VOC blades, but till now I didn't find anything what was usefull enough to start with. Also the pieces I've found, didn't had...
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