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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 18th March 2019, 01:50 PM
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Posted By ariel
Thanks. It is useful.

Thanks. It is useful.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 18th March 2019, 01:00 PM
Replies: 19
Views: 408
Posted By ariel
Kubur, I suspect that the owners of both...

Kubur,

I suspect that the owners of both “Berber” and “Bedouin” varieties could not care less about proper ethnological nomenclature and just called them “saif”:-)

The very name “shashka” is a...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 18th March 2019, 12:36 PM
Replies: 19
Views: 408
Posted By ariel
Midelburgo, Thanks for the reference....

Midelburgo,

Thanks for the reference. Regretfully, I can’t read it and do not understand what you are referring to. Can you specify?

Interestingly, all 3 examples are marked with the same year...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 18th March 2019, 11:28 AM
Replies: 19
Views: 408
Posted By ariel
Teodor, Professional Russian weapon historians...

Teodor,

Professional Russian weapon historians and dilettante collectors alike put forward one explanation after another of the unusual construction of a Caucasian shashka. Among them is one exactly...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 17th March 2019, 08:33 PM
Replies: 19
Views: 408
Posted By ariel
[QUOTE=midelburgo]Nueva Granada, after...

[QUOTE=midelburgo]Nueva Granada, after independence, would rather buy items from England than from Spain. Actually, there exist customs list of what ships were carrying to the new country and bundles...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 17th March 2019, 06:40 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 317
Posted By ariel
Hi Motan, I was intentionally brief and your...

Hi Motan,
I was intentionally brief and your comments filled the gaps. Many thanks!
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 17th March 2019, 06:02 PM
Replies: 19
Views: 408
Posted By ariel
Moroccan " pseudo-shashka"

Some time ago we had a discussion about the definition of “shashka”. My point was that shashka is a uniquely Caucasian weapons and that this name should not be applied to any other object.
Some of my...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 17th March 2019, 05:07 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 263
Posted By ariel
Of course there was a common ancestor: Southern...

Of course there was a common ancestor: Southern Siberia:-)
From there Khazars and Alans, Bulgars and Kumans in Central Europe, Mamluks in Egypt, Seljuks in Anatolia, Uzbeks in India etc, etc,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 17th March 2019, 02:35 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 263
Posted By ariel
Thanks for the resizing reference. I shall try...

Thanks for the resizing reference. I shall try it.

Palas are relatively late form, appearing around 18 century. One can imagine that they were redesigned from the purely cavalry long Mamluk...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 17th March 2019, 11:56 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 317
Posted By ariel
Agree with A. alnakkas: just “ Lebanese...

Agree with A. alnakkas: just “ Lebanese Dagger”:-) Although one can legitimately call it "Jezzine dagger".


Majal Shams is a Druze village at the Golan Heights. It has its own style of daggers...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 16th March 2019, 06:20 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 263
Posted By ariel
Both have bulbous rhino handles, a lot of silver,...

Both have bulbous rhino handles, a lot of silver, open slits at the throats.
The bigger one has complex fullering reminding me of Afghani pulwars ( interrupted fullers with flat panels in between)....
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 16th March 2019, 06:09 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 263
Posted By ariel
OK, my feeble attempt to solve the size problem...

OK, my feeble attempt to solve the size problem by myself:-(((
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 16th March 2019, 05:34 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 263
Posted By ariel
Ottoman " shamshirs"

Here are 2 Ottoman Kilic Acemi ( pronounced Kilidzh Adzhemi), or " Persian swords".

I can send better pics, but they will have to be resized. Any help with it?

Generally, they resemble Mamluk...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 16th March 2019, 05:11 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 317
Posted By ariel
Agree : Lebanon. And, BTW, Syrian silver...

Agree : Lebanon.
And, BTW, Syrian silver koftgari is very reminiscent of the one we have discussed in the Pala topic.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 16th March 2019, 03:12 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 863
Posted By ariel
Kubur, There are two points on which we all...

Kubur,
There are two points on which we all agree:
1. This is an Ottoman Pala
2. It is genuinely old, likely 19 century.

But the problem is that in the absence of place of manufacture indicated...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th March 2019, 09:50 PM
Replies: 24
Views: 863
Posted By ariel
The “ Ali/Zulfiqar” saying is attributed...

The “ Ali/Zulfiqar” saying is attributed directly to Mohammed. As such, it was and is widely used by Shia and Sunni alike. There is no religious divide here.

Implying that this Pala is Balkan and...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th March 2019, 12:11 PM
Replies: 39
Views: 973
Posted By ariel
I cannot agree more with Motan. Each collector...

I cannot agree more with Motan. Each collector establishes HIS own criteria based on HIS own overarching vision of the purpose of HIS collection.

Here is somewhat subversive idea: One can...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 14th March 2019, 01:54 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 973
Posted By ariel
My 2 cents worth is that there are as many...

My 2 cents worth is that there are as many collections as there are collectors.
Some collect beautiful and rich examples. Other are attracted to simple examples with a whiff of blood. Some...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 13th March 2019, 07:34 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,574
Posted By ariel
" Why the bead?" I think because it...

" Why the bead?"

I think because it all started with necklaces. We see them in virtually every archeological excavation and in every contemporary primitive culture : shell necklaces, nut necklaces,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 11th March 2019, 11:06 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,574
Posted By ariel
Naturally. Hinduism is much older religion. And,...

Naturally. Hinduism is much older religion.

And, indeed.... what else?
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 11th March 2019, 06:12 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,574
Posted By ariel
Yes, there are beadings there. But the question...

Yes, there are beadings there.
But the question we are addressing here is not their existence ( this is beyond any argument), but their sacral meaning or absence thereof.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 11th March 2019, 04:49 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,574
Posted By ariel
Agree. Architecture is a dead end in the search...

Agree. Architecture is a dead end in the search for the origin of beading: no connection to jewelry in all its applications.


We are left with two possibilities:
1. Beading was just a "...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 11th March 2019, 04:31 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,574
Posted By ariel
I do not think these are Ch'hatris: just garden...

I do not think these are Ch'hatris: just garden variety arches, another architectural detail hailing back at least to Roman times.
The last image is Damascus Gate in the wall of Old City,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 11th March 2019, 04:07 PM
Replies: 80
Views: 1,574
Posted By ariel
Wink If you really want to go into architectural...

If you really want to go into architectural details, Google " crenellated wall india" ( couple of examples below)

Just pay attention: some images in this series are from Italy, West Africa,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 8th March 2019, 10:41 AM
Replies: 24
Views: 863
Posted By ariel
My opinion was based on the same point indicated...

My opinion was based on the same point indicated by Alex: silver koftgari.
Even now e-bay is filled with identical replicas coming from Syria and sold either directly from Damascus or through...
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