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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th May 2022, 02:59 PM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
Wow… another great thread! Your comments in that...

Wow… another great thread! Your comments in that original thread linking back to a possible Chinese connection to this form is compelling. It also ties into the know time period placements and the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 19th May 2022, 02:38 AM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
Great pic! Wish we knew who had that bad boy!!!...

Great pic! Wish we knew who had that bad boy!!! Did you find that on this forum?? I think I’ve seen that pic before, but don’t remember from where.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 17th May 2022, 08:05 AM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
Here you go! Let me know if you uncover any...

Here you go! Let me know if you uncover any interesting similarities with other Okir.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 16th May 2022, 06:45 PM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
Kino, Thank you so much for sharing the...

Kino,

Thank you so much for sharing the tapestry pic!! That’s a great reference piece. I would agree with Xasterix that his Okir is a direct match back to the royal line used as shown in the pics...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th May 2022, 05:00 PM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
Xasterix, That is a fabulous direct origin...

Xasterix,

That is a fabulous direct origin connection! The Okir on your piece and the corresponding wood lattices is a near prefect match. Do you know what building that picture was taken from and...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 14th May 2022, 07:50 PM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
Hindu/Buddhist sculpture examples

Here are a interesting pieces with floral motifs that are similar, however the Islamic art from the same time periods also have similar motifs.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 14th May 2022, 07:43 PM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
Study in Malay wood carving

To better establish the linkage back to the cultural influences from the Hindu/Buddhist contacts with the Malay area I am supplying a paper on studying the carvings of the area. Given the overlay of...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 12th May 2022, 03:41 PM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
I agree and believe the Garuda kris form confirms...

I agree and believe the Garuda kris form confirms this orientation. However, I also agree with David’s assertion that the symbol in the side of the form is most likely a wing.

With that defined...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 12th May 2022, 01:35 AM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
Another form for comparison.

Another form for comparison.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 12th May 2022, 01:25 AM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
David, I think the relevance of this part of...

David,

I think the relevance of this part of the discussion is significant IMHO. As we are in agreement that the symbol that we are calling either a wing… which is my personal belief, or maybe an...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 10th May 2022, 03:39 PM
Replies: 64
Views: 22,441
Posted By SanibelSwassa
We do not see these common symbols in the forms...

We do not see these common symbols in the forms of the Java Demam nor do we find the Shivering Javanese man with the any of the various accompanying forms shown the the pictures already shared in the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 10th May 2022, 01:51 PM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
Now we can look for the same symbolism in the...

Now we can look for the same symbolism in the Garuda kris.

I have highlighted the area for observation.

To make the correlation to the amorphous bird form you would also need to look to...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 10th May 2022, 01:43 PM
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Views: 22,441
Posted By SanibelSwassa
I am glad to see this discussion getting some...

I am glad to see this discussion getting some traction!

So let’s start back with the idea of the bird form and then move to the Jawa Demam possibility.

In the pictures below I show the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 10th May 2022, 01:41 PM
Replies: 64
Views: 22,441
Posted By SanibelSwassa
I am glad to see this discussion getting some...

I am glad to see this discussion getting some traction!

So let’s start back with the idea of the bird form and then move to the Jawa Demam possibility.

In the pictures below I show the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 7th May 2022, 06:23 AM
Replies: 64
Views: 22,441
Posted By SanibelSwassa
What a fabulous Kris! So far my research is...

What a fabulous Kris! So far my research is pointing toward the Northern Coast of Borneo and I am still skeptical as to the Jawa Demam origin for this Kris style. The Hindu and Buddhist influences...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 16th March 2022, 04:44 AM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
I don’t know that I’d call this a fixation but...

I don’t know that I’d call this a fixation but rather a hypothesis. We have a Kris form that significantly deviates from all other Moro forms. I am suggesting that one possible reason for the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th March 2022, 05:55 AM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
Kino… thank you!! Look for as many examples I...

Kino… thank you!! Look for as many examples I can find to try to correlate characteristics, symbolisms and potential origin. And and all comments and thoughts are very welcome.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th March 2022, 01:47 AM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
Obviously we are focusing on the pummel at this...

Obviously we are focusing on the pummel at this point.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th March 2022, 01:45 AM
Replies: 64
Views: 22,441
Posted By SanibelSwassa
For a discussion point of reference I’ll post two...

For a discussion point of reference I’ll post two pictures of archaic kris that might help in the orientation of perspective for this hilt form. From there maybe we can delve into other symbolic...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 13th March 2022, 06:58 AM
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Posted By SanibelSwassa
Here are some additional pics of the two archaics.

Here are some additional pics of the two archaics.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 13th March 2022, 06:51 AM
Replies: 64
Views: 22,441
Posted By SanibelSwassa
Wow!! Thank you for sharing the example from...

Wow!! Thank you for sharing the example from your collection. The carving on the hilt is very interesting. There is definitely serious symbolism in this hilt style.

I’m including another example...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 12th March 2022, 08:29 AM
Replies: 64
Views: 22,441
Posted By SanibelSwassa
Will work on getting a few pics as requested. ...

Will work on getting a few pics as requested.

Working theory:

Blades from left to right: Maranao (left); Sulu (double fuller with twist core) (middle); Malay (double fuller with twist core)...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 10th March 2022, 09:22 PM
Replies: 64
Views: 22,441
Posted By SanibelSwassa
Question Garuda Kris

I thought it might be interesting to revisit the Garuda Kris topic and open the floor to origins, providence and symbolism for the forum members. I recently acquired a third Garuda Kris from England....
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