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Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 25th May 2022, 04:19 AM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
Sid, if I'm right about approximate age of the...

Sid, if I'm right about approximate age of the dress, we can forget moose antler, the international supply network to Bali was a wee bit different 50-60 years ago to what it is now.

Imagine being...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 25th May 2022, 02:49 AM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
Thanks Sid, yes, I guess "marak" will pass with a...

Thanks Sid, yes, I guess "marak" will pass with a push.

I don't know the Bali dhapurs, and I've gone to the Neka book too, the characteristics that dhapur marak should have are given as:-
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Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 24th May 2022, 10:44 PM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
Sid, may I ask where you got the dhapur name...

Sid, may I ask where you got the dhapur name "marap" from?

I know of a Balinese dhapur "marak", but I do not know "marap".

The blade pre-dates 1900, but it is very difficult to date Balinese...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 24th May 2022, 02:29 AM
Replies: 49
Views: 2,275
Posted By A. G. Maisey
I put the link into this thread last night:- ...

I put the link into this thread last night:-

Black stain spreading on keris during vinegar cleaning

I just checked it in that thread a moment ago and it takes you to where you need to be.

I...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 23rd May 2022, 10:07 PM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
As to the danger of handling arsenic. Here...

As to the danger of handling arsenic.

Here in The Land of Oz (AKA: Australia), people who need to work with arsenic are routinely tested for arsenic levels in their body and appropriate action is...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 23rd May 2022, 01:17 PM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
Scroll down to page #19 ...

Scroll down to page #19

https://aiccm.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/NationalNewsletter_103_June2007_0.pdf
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 23rd May 2022, 01:08 PM
Replies: 49
Views: 2,275
Posted By A. G. Maisey
The rice water + salt + sulphur method was one...

The rice water + salt + sulphur method was one that i came across in a book written in colonial times in English. I used it a few times, but only on older blades that had already been stained...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 23rd May 2022, 09:43 AM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
Well, I watched it through. I do admire this...

Well, I watched it through.

I do admire this gentleman's persistence, however, to spend all this time and all this work to produce an end result that will be inferior to the normal result produced...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 22nd May 2022, 09:52 AM
Replies: 27
Views: 6,509
Posted By A. G. Maisey
If we ever do get the real guts on the reason or...

If we ever do get the real guts on the reason or symbolism that is attached to this turi bud, I'd put money on it that we eventually find that there is more than a single reason, and more than one...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 21st May 2022, 08:43 PM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
David, Garret's mentor was Go Tik Swan, AKA...

David, Garret's mentor was Go Tik Swan, AKA Panembahan Hardjonegoro(alm.), his principal teacher was a m'ranggi known as "Pak Bei". The period was late 1960's, through to early 1970's.

Nothing in...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 20th May 2022, 02:10 PM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
The function of language is to move the thoughts...

The function of language is to move the thoughts that are in one person's head into the head of another person, the way the words used to do that are spelt is not particularly important, nor is the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 20th May 2022, 06:31 AM
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Views: 6,509
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Regarding spellings of Javanese words. I am...

Regarding spellings of Javanese words.

I am not Javanese, however, I do have a a 70 year association with Javanese culture & society, the last 50 or so years of that 70 years has been close up &...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 19th May 2022, 11:51 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 499
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Yeah, I didn't notice the bead, & it would be a...

Yeah, I didn't notice the bead, & it would be a replacement, but just the same, that uwer needs to go.

Incidentally, a couple weeks back I found out what an "uwer" really is, besides being that...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 19th May 2022, 09:52 PM
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Views: 499
Posted By A. G. Maisey
The older ones of this type were glass, but...

The older ones of this type were glass, but usually I have found these "stones" to be plastic, try testing with a hot needle. There are a lot more plastic ones around than glass.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 19th May 2022, 12:36 PM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
The wedung is worn by certain high ranking...

The wedung is worn by certain high ranking members of a kraton hierarchy, in this case the Surakarta Karaton, as a symbol of the wearer's willingness to cut a path through the jungle for his lord,...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 19th May 2022, 12:09 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 499
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Thank you Athanase. So, 36cm = +/- 14.25...

Thank you Athanase.

So, 36cm = +/- 14.25 inches.

After I asked my question I scaled it from your photos and came up with +/- 15"

This keris, blade only, is not of Balinese origin, it was...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 18th May 2022, 09:23 AM
Replies: 23
Views: 926
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Yes GP, its a nice keris, these older, classic...

Yes GP, its a nice keris, these older, classic Bali keris have a presence that i feel is very powerful, however, unfortunately your particular keris has been thoughtlessly dressed. That is no big...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 17th May 2022, 11:54 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 499
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Could you please advise blade length? Thanks.

Could you please advise blade length?

Thanks.
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 17th May 2022, 02:29 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 926
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Thank you for your further explanations Jean. ...

Thank you for your further explanations Jean.

In respect of the name that might be accurately applied to the top cross part of a wrongko, yes, I was aware of Sutejo Neka's use of "sampir" when I...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 17th May 2022, 12:17 AM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
A pretty piece of work GP. The hilt is not...

A pretty piece of work GP.

The hilt is not ivory, it is bone or deer antler, more likely to be bone I think.

The "keris" is not in my opinion, a keris.
It is a keris-like object where the...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 17th May 2022, 12:01 AM
Replies: 23
Views: 926
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Thank you Jean for this beautiful illustration of...

Thank you Jean for this beautiful illustration of the point I was trying to make. It is sometimes difficult to understand why something --- in this case a keris --- varies from what we expect to see,...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 16th May 2022, 12:33 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 926
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Jean, the keris is Balinese or Balinese style,...

Jean, the keris is Balinese or Balinese style, the atasan is Balinese style, the pendok is not Balinese, and the hilt is more likely to be Lombok than Bali.

There is perhaps a possibility that...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 16th May 2022, 07:55 AM
Replies: 23
Views: 926
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Afterthought I just re-read this comment, &...

Afterthought

I just re-read this comment, & it sounds harsh, it is not intended to be.

This is a nice keris, the dress is pretty much less than nice, but it can be easily improved.

It is the...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 16th May 2022, 06:21 AM
Replies: 23
Views: 926
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Just the pendok Paul, the atasan or gambar is...

Just the pendok Paul, the atasan or gambar is older Bali, the hilt is a bit of a mix of two different genuinely Balinese themes, the cup upon which the hilt sits is a sort invention, as is the...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 15th May 2022, 11:00 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 926
Posted By A. G. Maisey
But they can produce fine quality hilts in Madura...

But they can produce fine quality hilts in Madura too Marco. There is a carver lives away from Sumenep, I forget the name of the place, "Bhu---" something or other, and his work is very good indeed....
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