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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 17th May 2025, 07:37 PM
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Posted By Jim McDougall
Thank you Rick! especially for the kind words! ...

Thank you Rick! especially for the kind words!

As you note, there would not have been much attraction to British barrels except perhaps in some incidental cases where such were all that was...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th May 2025, 05:23 AM
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Posted By Jim McDougall
This is a great example of an original British...

This is a great example of an original British EIC lock on a very old jezail!
The lock by John Fox Twigg, an English maker who moved to Piccadilly in 1776, the year on this lock, seems original and...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th August 2019, 09:33 PM
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Posted By Jim McDougall
Thanks Wayne!!! An absolutely great nostalgic...

Thanks Wayne!!! An absolutely great nostalgic movie, with the pageantry of those great films of yesteryear. Forget accuracy, in those days it was all just the magic of the big screen .

Not sure I...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th August 2019, 08:11 AM
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Posted By Jim McDougall
Ricky, It truly is amazing how many non tourist...

Ricky,
It truly is amazing how many non tourist items there really are, and it is hard to imagine the volume of these guns made through the years that ended up stashed away for countless years. I...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 19th August 2019, 08:11 PM
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Posted By Jim McDougall
Rick, you have a truly amazing collection, and...

Rick, you have a truly amazing collection, and your observations and insights are great as I try to learn more on these Afghan guns. As noted, with the EIC locks invariably used on these, it is...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 18th August 2019, 05:36 PM
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Posted By Jim McDougall
Rick, this topic has indeed become totally...

Rick, this topic has indeed become totally fascinating with this thread, and thanks to you and the guys who have brought your experience, examples and expertise into these pages. For me it has been...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 16th August 2019, 04:54 PM
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Views: 112,625
Posted By Jim McDougall
The EIC bale mark or chop dilemma

I think it is probably right that the quartered heart was likely in use until then in degree as it seems there were certain disparities in the chosen markings used by the Company through its...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th August 2019, 09:49 PM
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Posted By Jim McDougall
I think this is a hard question as during the...

I think this is a hard question as during the times it was simply a practical matter of marking goods, and probably not of vital strategic importance.
It seems there was a certain level of autonomy...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th August 2019, 09:30 PM
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Posted By Jim McDougall
Thank you for these great pics! I am always...

Thank you for these great pics! I am always puzzled by the shape of these stocks. I had the idea that Sind examples were straighter, but in some of the reading I have done the Sind guns are noted...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th August 2019, 08:20 PM
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Posted By Jim McDougall
Very good points Richard, and in examining the...

Very good points Richard, and in examining the varying character of the locks we might find on these jezails, it is necessary to consider the ever present dynamic of trade.
'The evil trade', that is...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th August 2019, 12:01 AM
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Views: 112,625
Posted By Jim McDougall
How right you are.All this information is out...

How right you are.All this information is out there, but it takes asking the right questions and finding it. I had not realized about the barrels and was focused on the locks, so thanks to you I was...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 14th August 2019, 10:16 PM
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Posted By Jim McDougall
Me too Stu!! I always wanted one, but as things...

Me too Stu!!
I always wanted one, but as things often go, never got one (OK I wanted to climb on the pyramids too, and get a '32 Ford, but gotta be real!).
All of a sudden Im in the middle of the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 14th August 2019, 10:09 PM
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Views: 112,625
Posted By Jim McDougall
The term jezail for these Afghan guns

In looking into the sources for barrels, after going through more on the seemingly invariable use of EIC locks on these guns, I wondered more where the term 'jezail' came from.

Online it simply...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 14th August 2019, 09:18 PM
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Views: 112,625
Posted By Jim McDougall
A VERY good question, and I returned to Egerton...

A VERY good question, and I returned to Egerton (p.136),
"...Postons describes the Sindian arms as being of very superior quality, particularly the matchlock barrels, which are twisted in the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 14th August 2019, 05:44 PM
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Views: 112,625
Posted By Jim McDougall
East India Company 'chop' marks, the 'flaunched heart'

In looking into the gun locks used on these I notice that while the earlier ones with the quartered heart prevail (until use of the rampant lion in 1808) there are a good number of examples using a...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 14th August 2019, 04:25 PM
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Posted By Jim McDougall
The matchlock in Khyber Regions on Jezails

It seems I have read that matchlock ignition was used in Afghan regions on jezails for quite some time, so in retracing through Egerton (1880),on pp.140,141 I found:

On Waziris, Afridis and...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 14th August 2019, 07:07 AM
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Posted By Jim McDougall
Not even Stu!!! Perfect links with great history...

Not even Stu!!! Perfect links with great history and overview of the EIC, and the other link very comprehensive with many, many views of these gun locks.
The Wiki history on EIC notes the '...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 14th August 2019, 07:03 AM
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Views: 112,625
Posted By Jim McDougall
There really are conflicting views on these, and...

There really are conflicting views on these, and it is likely that being assembled by so many local makers there was probably a wide range of quality. I wonder if the jezail design was around in...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 13th August 2019, 07:11 PM
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Views: 112,625
Posted By Jim McDougall
LOL! OK, point taken...….I think of Patton when...

LOL! OK, point taken...….I think of Patton when somebody called the grips on his paired pistols pearl...…...instead of the actual ivory!!! :)
You're right on that though, rugged frontier charm is...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 13th August 2019, 07:03 PM
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Views: 112,625
Posted By Jim McDougall
Indeed this thread has brought in some...

Indeed this thread has brought in some fascinating reading, and again, Im learning a lot through you and the guys here. I have been hard at reading, finding old notes and engulfed in the examples and...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 13th August 2019, 04:39 AM
Replies: 100
Views: 112,625
Posted By Jim McDougall
EIC bale marks

In researching EIC markings quite some time ago, I wondered why the '4' atop the quartered heart which seems to appeared on this bale mark sometime about 1770 according to some sources. The quartered...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 12th August 2019, 08:01 PM
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Views: 112,625
Posted By Jim McDougall
The Rampant Lion EIC marking

In continuing the research on the lock on my jezail of the OP, I wanted to find more on the EIC rampant lion and date on the lock. I was greatly encouraged by Ricky's supportive observations on it...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 12th August 2019, 07:46 PM
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Views: 112,625
Posted By Jim McDougall
Stu, thank you!!! These are excellent images, and...

Stu, thank you!!! These are excellent images, and I think what I like most about these guns is their inherently rugged charm, so appropriate for the tribal warriors of the Khyber and its environs.
...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 11th August 2019, 11:44 PM
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Views: 112,625
Posted By Jim McDougall
Ricky, I cannot possibly thank you enough for the...

Ricky, I cannot possibly thank you enough for the wonderfully positive and detailed assessment of my jezail. As I have noted, this was purely serendipity, and actually I was visiting a very prominent...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 10th August 2019, 11:46 AM
Replies: 100
Views: 112,625
Posted By Jim McDougall
Excellent Stu!!! That is exactly what I am...

Excellent Stu!!! That is exactly what I am trying to gather here, close ups and detail on these locks.
It seems the rampant lion came in around 1808 with the EIC but as always exact dates are...
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