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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 23rd July 2017, 10:25 AM
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Posted By estcrh
Thanks for adding these images, but on some of...

Thanks for adding these images, but on some of these I wonder how exactly they determined that they were Ottoman. I am sure that on some of the highly decorated ones there is evidence of the culture...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 22nd July 2017, 09:21 AM
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Posted By estcrh
Ibrahiim, here is why besides Stones descriptiuon...

Ibrahiim, here is why besides Stones descriptiuon I think that this particular type mace may in fact be Persian. In the photo below is what seems to be accepted as a Persian mace, note the inserted...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 16th July 2017, 10:00 AM
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Posted By estcrh
Yes, this type had been described as being...

Yes, this type had been described as being "Ottoman"...but is it? Descriptions can be wrong, if you look at Stones images of various maces you will see this image and description.

#21. Persia,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 16th July 2017, 09:54 AM
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Posted By estcrh
If the other maces like this are Persian then...

If the other maces like this are Persian then your mace is Persian, a nice, rare example.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 14th July 2017, 10:26 PM
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Posted By estcrh
A few other example of the same type.

A few other example of the same type.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 14th July 2017, 09:54 PM
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Posted By estcrh
Ibrahiim, I agree with you but there are really...

Ibrahiim, I agree with you but there are really not many mace examples that can be positively identified as being Persian. We know that the bulls head and devils head maces are Persian, and some...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 11th July 2017, 09:12 PM
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Posted By estcrh
Ibrahimm, that image also contains individual...

Ibrahimm, that image also contains individual descriptions.




Describing items as "Indo-Persian" is no different than when you have maces from Europe and you say "European" maces. Indo-Persian...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 26th June 2017, 03:02 AM
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Posted By estcrh
Mongol, I do not see that myself, but these types...

Mongol, I do not see that myself, but these types of period illustrations do show us some interesting armor, weapons, clothing etc.

"Zal Slays Khazarvan", Folio 104r from the Shahnama (Book of...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th June 2017, 10:55 PM
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Posted By estcrh
Two known examples of Persian maces and another...

Two known examples of Persian maces and another supposedly Persian type.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th June 2017, 10:40 PM
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Posted By estcrh
Some known ancient Persian mace examples from The...

Some known ancient Persian mace examples from The Arts of the Muslim Knight
The Furusiyya Art Foundation Collection, by Bashir Mohamed, 2008

Seljuk Maces

The mace without a...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th June 2017, 10:04 PM
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Posted By estcrh
Kuber, that mace is described as being made from...

Kuber, that mace is described as being made from stone, here is another example that is outside of the norm, a spiked wooden mace. Both are very rare period photos of maces.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th June 2017, 09:55 PM
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Posted By estcrh
I think if we identify the maces that are likely...

I think if we identify the maces that are likely to be Persian in style and design the remaining examples can be said for the most part to be Ottoman, the Indian examples are usually easy to...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th June 2017, 08:59 PM
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Posted By estcrh
Where do we get our info on which maces are...

Where do we get our info on which maces are Persian and which are Ottoman in the first place?? From museums which are often wrong, from auctions which are often wrong, from books which are often...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th June 2017, 05:30 AM
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Posted By estcrh
Two maces from the Met, one is said to be...

Two maces from the Met, one is said to be Persian, the other Ottoman...but can we be sure, the Met has been wrong before.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th June 2017, 05:09 AM
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Posted By estcrh
Waiting......in the mean time, here are a few...

Waiting......in the mean time, here are a few images of Persian maces from from the "Shahnama" (Book of Kings) of Shah Tahmasp Author: Abu'l Qasim Firdausi (9351020) Artist: Painting attributed to...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 24th June 2017, 01:51 PM
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Posted By estcrh
A group of Ottoman maces and what is said to be a...

A group of Ottoman maces and what is said to be a Persian mace. I think that really old Persian maces and really old ottoman maces may be hard to tell apart in some cases, with the exception of...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 24th June 2017, 01:30 PM
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Posted By estcrh
If the descriptions from auctions, museums and...

If the descriptions from auctions, museums and private sales etc are correct, Persian maces are much rarer than Ottoman maces. From what I have seen the mace on the left is Persian.

As far as...
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