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erikscollectables 7th January 2009 09:04 AM

Keris Identification 1: opinions please
 
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Dear all,

This starts with my collecting background, you can also skip to the question immediately....

About 22 years ago when I was 15 I received 2 kerisses from my father (not family pieces before that though) that started me collecting Indonesian weapons for a few years and somewhere in my early 20s I stopped and sold almost everything apart from these 2 kerisses. I restarted collecting about 2 years ago. As my father passed away in the meantime these kerisses have a value to me above the intrinsic value. They are "pusaka" in a way...Nevertheless I would like to learn more about these two kerisses!

The first keris is Javanese in dress and seems to me to be very old and/or washed many times. The surface is not smooth like most often but you can really feel the different layers. The colour contrast is also quite high compared to most kerisses that have not been washed in a long time.
It has a Ganja Iras. The pamor is not clear to me so I deemed it wos wutah but this might not be the case at all.

Would like to hear your opinions please, dapur/pamor materials used (nickel or meteor?) and also about age as far as possible (without being held accountable of course...)

Regards, Erik

erikscollectables 10th January 2009 10:55 AM

Opions?
 
No opinions about this blade?
Material used, pamor type?

Regards, Erik

ganjawulung 12th January 2009 03:34 PM

LUK KEMBA
 
Good old blade, Erik,

If I may estimate the "tangguh" of the keris, I would like to say it is a "segaluh" keris. At least, it has a characteristic of what some Javanese keris people say as "segaluh" style. (Segaluh is an old Hindhu kingdom in West Jawa, before 13th century).

It has a "protruding" gandhik -- a specific characteristic of what called segaluh kerises. Even it looks more protruding with the "sekar kacang" in front of the gandhik. And also, the type of keris wave that people called as "luk kemba" or "luk kembo". It is the type of "lazy" luk (the opposite of "luk rengkol", or keris wave that looks like a swimming snake on the surface of a river).

The type of pamor, is "ngulit semangka" (as a water-mellon skin), with probably dhapur of "sempana" luk 9 (nine waves, because it is existed too, dhapur of sempana with 13, 17 and even 19 luks or waves). But the "greneng" in the tail part of the "wadidang" (rear lower part of a keris) is worn out of age... At least, this is an old and quite intact segaluh keris.

GANJAWULUNG

erikscollectables 12th January 2009 06:28 PM

Many thanks Ganjawulung!

Very interesting to read and educative!
Is the "roughness" of the blade normal?

Regards, Erik


Quote:
Originally Posted by ganjawulung
Good old blade, Erik,

If I may estimate the "tangguh" of the keris, I would like to say it is a "segaluh" keris. At least, it has a characteristic of what some Javanese keris people say as "segaluh" style. (Segaluh is an old Hindhu kingdom in West Jawa, before 13th century).

It has a "protruding" gandhik -- a specific characteristic of what called segaluh kerises. Even it looks more protruding with the "sekar kacang" in front of the gandhik. And also, the type of keris wave that people called as "luk kemba" or "luk kembo". It is the type of "lazy" luk (the opposite of "luk rengkol", or keris wave that looks like a swimming snake on the surface of a river).

The type of pamor, is "ngulit semangka" (as a water-mellon skin), with probably dhapur of "sempana" luk 9 (nine waves, because it is existed too, dhapur of sempana with 13, 17 and even 19 luks or waves). But the "greneng" in the tail part of the "wadidang" (rear lower part of a keris) is worn out of age... At least, this is an old and quite intact segaluh keris.

GANJAWULUNG

ganjawulung 12th January 2009 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by erikscollectables
Is the "roughness" of the blade normal?


Yes, it is normal for such an old blade. Say, it is "traces of age" because of the different materials used for the keris. The layers of metal corrosion, of harder and less harder metal material...

GANJAWULUNG


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