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kronckew 7th December 2011 11:24 PM

found the referenced youtube video today when looking at another video on sword and buckler posted here. around 02:47 into it, they show an example of the 'slow' cannonball effects i mentioned earlier in this thread. kinda gory. whole video is educational. lotsa nice arms, sharp pointy things and things that go boom.

HD Battle of Camden from 'the Patriot' (best at 720p HD & full screen)

edited: today must be cannon day. found this article:

Cannon ball fired thru home

kinda off topic, but does show the odd bounces they can take.

Matchlock 7th December 2011 11:46 PM

Very nice video, and rather authentic regarding the guns as well - thanks!

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broadaxe 8th December 2011 07:27 AM

This is a video of a real field experiment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfsu...ture=plpp_video
Took me a LOT of time to find it after searching for another footage from a different film I once saw on History channel, similar conditions but targets were ballistic gelatine rather plywood.

broadaxe 12th December 2011 09:53 AM

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Two months ago I visited the Czech Republic and was very happy to discover a new vast exhibition of arms & armor in the renovated Schwarzenberg Palace. Two chain shots exhibited, one is a rather interesting hybrid.

Matchlock 13th December 2011 04:46 PM

Thank you so much for these images - and for the information that the arms museum in the Schwarzenberg Palais has been reopened. I photographed there for hours in 1995.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock 13th December 2011 04:49 PM

Grrrr, double post ...

fernando 14th December 2011 10:14 PM

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I remembered having seen some of this stuff in the Oporto Military Museum.
... And still they were there today :cool:


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Matchlock 15th December 2011 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando
I remembered having seen some of this stuff in the Oporto Military Museum.
... And still they were there today :cool:
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And that's what they were supposed to be, I guess! :eek:
m

Matchlock 27th February 2012 04:34 PM

For more on grape shot and canister shot, please see my thread

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ed=1#post134755

Best,
Michael

Matchlock 6th March 2012 05:01 PM

Grape Shot in The Art Institute of Chicago
 
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Labeled as 18th/19th c., from the George F. Harding collection.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock 9th March 2012 04:57 PM

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Another.

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fernando 9th March 2012 05:05 PM

Fascinating little specimen ... and in Technicolor :cool:

Matchlock 9th March 2012 05:20 PM

... and Cinemascope! :cool: :eek:

M ELEY 11th March 2012 05:28 AM

Awesome new info and pics, Michael. Please keep 'em coming!
Mark

Matchlock 21st March 2012 04:58 PM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...6253#post136253

VANDOO 19th April 2012 04:18 AM

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I RAN ACROSS A FEW PICTURES FROM THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR WITH CANNON AND SHOT THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO POST CANNONBALLS.
1. NEATLY STACKED UNION ORDINANCE LIKELY ARSENAL YARD WASHINGTON DC.
2.UNION GUN EMPLACEMENT WITH CANNISTER SHOT.
3.RICHMOND VA. AFTER UNION FORCES WENT THRU REMAINS OF ARSENAL.
MANY MAJOR CITIES IN THE SOUTH LOOKED LIKE THIS AFTER THE WAR MAJOR CITES IN THE NORTH WERE NOT DESTROYED.

Matchlock 25th April 2012 03:02 PM

For more on quilted shot, please see

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...8225#post138225

Matchlock 27th April 2012 08:48 PM

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Canister grape shot of 1812:

http://images.ourontario.ca/niagara...eums/71962/data

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fernando 16th September 2013 06:14 PM

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Chain shot (and not only) pictured last week in the Navy Museum, situated in Torre Del Oro, Seville, Spain.
I looks like the black finishing is original.

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broadaxe 16th September 2013 09:54 PM

What do you think about this item here: http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=5683

Personally, I think it is much too elaborated to be ammunition, and not too heavy to be thrown by hand.

fernando 16th September 2013 10:37 PM

Yes, too elaborated to be cannon stuff and about right to be thrown by hand ... by strong guys.
... and too risky to be posted; as still on active sale ;) .

broadaxe 16th September 2013 10:45 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by fernando
Yes, too elaborated to be cannon stuff and about right to be thrown by hand ... by strong guys.
... and too risky to be posted; as still on active sale ;) .


I see no problem - not an auction, the seller is active here and a personal friend. If you check the description you'll see he noted the two speculations (we even discussed it today :D ).

fernando 17th September 2013 10:26 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by broadaxe
I see no problem - not an auction, the seller is active here and a personal friend. If you check the description you'll see he noted the two speculations (we even discussed it today :D ).


Forgive me, Broadaxe :o
No hard feelings and nothing personal; only the force of habit. I see both sale and auctions with the same binoculars :shrug: .

... 1. Discussion of items currently in the process of being offered for sale, especially active auctions, is strictly prohibited...

broadaxe 17th September 2013 10:32 AM

No problem, you can delete.

fernando 17th September 2013 01:47 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by broadaxe
No problem, you can delete.

Oh no, i am not currently a 'deleter'; that was only a hint.

M ELEY 17th September 2013 11:49 PM

Well, as long as the pics are still up! :D :cool:

The item in question is very interesting and could be a form of expanding barshot. Its main purpose would have been to slash through lines/ropes in the tops, or as anti-personnel. It is similar to 'star-shot', in that it would have folded up for insertion in the cannon and expanded in flight. It is very elaborate, but then again, many of the Indian suncontinent weapons were. If it is not an artillery shot, I can't say what its purpose would have been?

Fernando, thats for posting that chainshot picture from Saville. I haven't seen too many of the real ones with the chain link directly brazed to the ball itself and the close-up photo was great.


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