A spear point
 

Hi folks. It's been while hasn't it? In spite of the Ethnographic bent that has emerged here I recall that some of you are quite versed in European material.

I thought that I'd toss this up for consideration.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/IMG_4674.jpg

I picked this up the other day. The form is classic and if it where shorter you would not be surprised to see it identified as a medieval arrow head. Problem is that it is spear size (~14 "). It has age on it but the thing that gives me pause is the tang. For the life of me, I am not sure that I ever saw a european example of a spearhead that was tanged. At least not one this long.

The romantic in me says "Gosh, what a perfect example of a ballista bolt" then reality reestablishes itself.

Any thoughts?

There is indeed an 'ethnographic bent' on the Ethnographic Arms & Armor Forum :) but as you note there is a considerable core of knowledge and interest in European topics. There has been discussion and hopes of developing another subforum in the past to offer broader discussion opportunities.
Hopefully those well versed in these spearheads will answer.

I recall the old old old days when "Viking Sword" was something more than a name to confuse people with. :D

I stopped posting since I really don't collect ethnographic stuff.

Is there a chance of developing another sub forum such as there was? I would even volenteer to moderate.

Thats great Incitatus! I'm in favor of that :)
While the predominant fields in ethnographic are well represented here, especially the keris on this forum as well as its subforum, the topic of European and often regulation military blades do come up often.
I very much miss the discussion of Viking and medieval swords as well, and there is, in my personal opinion, not another viable forum for this.

Agree.

I used to post as Ed but when the forum software changed that name got lost so I reverted to one of my aliases.

I've added quite a lot to my armor collection, less to blades and considerably to firearms both early and otherwise. :D

hmmmmm seems that I'm "Ed" again. Thanks Lee.

Hi Ed,
How much romantic ? :)
Aren't ballista (and crossbow) bolts socketed ? :confused:
Fernando

Some were, maybe most were. Thing is that it was quicker to make a tang than a socket so that war points often have a tang. I mean, why invest the time when you are simply shooting at an enemy.

Something says "modern" to me but I'm not quite sure.

Crossbow bolts can have both a tang and a socket. The piece in question does not seem to me to be medieval at all, as in all the years that I have studied medieval crossbow bolts I have never seen something like that. That means it's probably either not from Europe, or it's quite modern...

I could show you some pictures of my crossbow bolts tomorrow if you are interested.

stekemest

By the way, european spear points almost never have a tang. There are exceptions, though, but they are very rare.
stm

I'd love to see pictures.

The form of this this isn't bad in fact, it is sort of classic. It is the damn tang.

Ah, our posts crossed in the night. :)

Could they be much different from the couple i have shown in post #7 ?
Eventualy those are my own; very common Portuguese specimens, XIV and XV century ...

Fernando

Budiak have similar tangs; the form overall is similar .. :shrug:

Yeah ... why should it be an European lance head ? :confused:
Tell us what we are missing, Ed.

You are right. My bias is european so that is what I was seeing.

http://images.goantiques.com/dbimage...9454732255.jpg

http://www.goantiques.com/detail,ant...k,1610189.html

Learned something today. :)

I was wondering if it was Lumad....... :shrug:

Hi,
The new picture convinces me that this piece is definitely not european.

Agree. It demonstrates the value of having a cross cultural approach to identification.