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ariel 29th December 2007 04:32 PM

Karud: expensive?
 
Just ended.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=011
Jade handles are rare, and this might be Bukharan ( unlikely, but it still has 5 rivets).
Still, the price left me speechless..
Is it the X-Mas spirit on the side of multiple bidders or am I being a Scrooge?

Jeff D 29th December 2007 04:44 PM

Looks like Green Horn, and not original to the piece.

Jeff

ALEX 29th December 2007 04:52 PM

You're not being a scrooge Ariel. I had the same reaction. Even if it is true jade handle, the blade is plain, the general condition is poor, and I have no idea what is sword suspension ring doing on that scabbard:-)
Also, does 5 rivets mean Bukharan origin? Could Bukhara-identified handles have 3 or 4 rivets as well...?

Lew 29th December 2007 06:33 PM

I must agree with Ariel though it seems like a very nice piece it has damage to the hilt and the scabbard is quite tattered in my opinion if you are going to spend that type of cash one would be looking for something in better condition.


Lew

ALEX 29th December 2007 09:03 PM

This dagger even being in poor condition and expensive is authentic. What really outrageous is this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Mughal-D...QQcmdZViewItem

These katars are in perfect condition i.e. Brand New, and "expensive" takes another spin: "insane".

Battara 29th December 2007 09:19 PM

Yes I also noticed this piece - with a gold koftgari mount that does not belong and the possibility of being green horn. I wonder if the blade just needs to be etched - still a lot of money. :rolleyes:

Rick 30th December 2007 02:43 AM

Soon Parted
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ALEX
This dagger even being in poor condition and expensive is authentic. What really outrageous is this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Mughal-D...QQcmdZViewItem

These katars are in perfect condition i.e. Brand New, and "expensive" takes another spin: "insane".

" A Fool and his money ......... " :(

ALEX 2nd January 2008 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick
" A Fool and his money ......... " :(

Another example of that person:
Not bad for wootz yataghan :p


http://cgi.ebay.com/Very-Nice-Persia...QQcmdZViewItem

Lew 2nd January 2008 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALEX
Another example of that person:
Not bad for wootz yataghan :p


http://cgi.ebay.com/Very-Nice-Persia...QQcmdZViewItem

Wootz no but I like it. The price is another story but you never know ;)

Lew

ALEX 2nd January 2008 11:47 AM

Lew, I respect your tastes and interests. Something tells me this is completely new piece though, misrepresented as antique. Because I've seen similar items before, I believe that this one is the same, completely newly made, including the blade. As such, it can be good only as cheap souvenir, in my humble opinion.

Lew 2nd January 2008 02:51 PM

Alex

The patina on the wood seems to suggest some age and a clean fresh looking blade is not always indicative of a newly made piece. The scroll work on the blade is rather well done. I would place this piece 1930s-50 but I can't be 100 percent sure since I do not have it in my hand.

Lew

Rick 2nd January 2008 02:51 PM

Looks like some kind of Flyssa variant .. :shrug:

ariel 2nd January 2008 05:52 PM

I shall throw my 2 cents worth into the " tourist" hat.
New through and through, flyssa-like, not even a whiff of wootz.
This buyer is a wet dream of Chinese " commanding officer yataghan" makers.
Do you think somebody should contact him and gently plant an idea of stopping buying and starting reading for a while?

ALEX 3rd January 2008 09:19 AM

Agree with Ariel 101%,
And also agree with Lew that not all shiny blades indicate "new".
The collecting knowledge and experience is measured, in part, by how well one can "recognize" a genuine authentic item from "fake". And this is why we post these links here and collaborate our opinions.


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