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Dajak 6th December 2006 06:09 PM

Atjeh weapons Gold on Handle
 
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Is the an book That has some explanation about the gold on the Handle off Atjeh weapons

Robert 6th December 2006 07:19 PM

Dajak, I know nothing about these but could you post pictures of these wonderful weapons that show them complete? Thank you.


Robert

VVV 6th December 2006 07:33 PM

Ben,

Try to find Hands of Time: The Crafts of Aceh by Barbara Leigh.
ISBN 979 428 110 7
Then there are of course dozens of old articles and books about Aceh but I think she has compiled most of it nicely together in her book.

Michael

Battara 6th December 2006 07:39 PM

Thank you for posting - I love gold Aceh things. :D

Dajak 6th December 2006 07:54 PM

Hi Michael thanks I just order the book ( I did have it in my collection but someone did not give it back to me)
but I am looking for a book that tells what it means if the is one 2 or 3 golden
crowns on the weapon

maybe you now a special book about this subject You are the book search expert if some one can find it it will be you.

Ben

VVV 6th December 2006 08:28 PM

Probably the amount of golden crowns only shows how rich the owner was?

Maybe you could find something in this article:

De Sikin by P. Vermieren from De Vrienden van het Etnografisch Museum Antwerpen, XIV(2), 2 (1987).

Haven't found it yet myself.
But you are closer to Antwerpen than I am.
Please arrange a copy for me too.

Michael

Dajak 7th December 2006 07:30 PM

Hi Michael I did send them an email

Thanks Ben

RhysMichael 7th December 2006 09:48 PM

I am out of town so I do not have my copy of Barbara Leigh's book but I remember it did talk about the shape on these devices near the handle I will try to look it up friday night when I get home

RhysMichael 8th December 2006 10:00 PM

OK In "Hands of Time" they call the v shaped design at the hilt of the panjang and the rencongPucuk Rebung it is supposed to represent the sprouting bamboo. the figure at teh end of the hule mea apet is called duan tebu I need to get a good translation on that term. They describe it as representing the sprouting sugar cane.

Dajak 9th December 2006 12:44 PM

Hi RhysMichael I like to know when they use when they use normal crows double crowns and who allowed to carry it


Ben

RhysMichael 9th December 2006 04:13 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dajak
Hi RhysMichael I like to know when they use when they use normal crows double crowns and who allowed to carry it


Ben


Ben
I've never read anything on that. The crowns are the "Pucuk Rebung" and appear to be a vegatative motif. Maybe Utami would be able to tell you he is in Indonesia and has a good bit of information on Aceh swords. There is some reference in the small amount of reference material I have also about a star shaped decoration on the hilts called a tampok that is taken from the star shaped decorations on the top of the traditional royal Achenese hat that my help you with what you are looking for. I wish I knew more to offer you I will keep looking. I have found little more in Barbara Leigh's book and nothing more in Holly Smith's book.

John

utami 12th December 2006 01:20 PM

John, I knew a little about acehnese weapon & culture.

Pucuk Rebung Motif
Pucuk = the sprout
Rebung = bamboo shoots.
In indo malay rebung were used as food, my mother often cooked bamboo shoots curry :) This motif also can be found in their tradisional clothes, sarong and Woven cloth. Pucuk Rebung also can be found in other ethnic / region such as malay, lampung, riau, palembang and other part of sumatra. West sumatran / Minangkabau named this motif as Pucuak Rabuang . The Pucuk Rebong symbolised the fertility and the happiness in the life of humankind and the symbol of the life.


Pic of Rebung


Pucuk Rebung ( the tip of cloth ) on Tapis ( Lampung Woven cloth ),


Pic of Pucuk Rebung on Songket Palembang ( Palembang Woven cloth )


Cropped & Sharpen image of original dajak pics

These image clearly show the triangular-shaped pattern similiar to Pic of Rebung.


Aceh Translation related to weaponry

Daun = Leaf
Tebu = Sugar Cane
Daun Tebu = Sugar Cane Leaf

Meu is verb
Apet = jaga / kawal = Guarded
Meu Apet = penjaga / pengawal = "The guard"

Hulu = gagang = Hilt
Peusangan = name of river / name of subdistricts in Bireuen, Aceh
Beunteung = The fence that was made from bamboo
Meutampo Meueh = Bersepuh Emas = "Gold Polish / Gold Plating"

According to some acehnesse, the gold on hilt / handle / scabbard only can be made / owned for Panglima ( commander , chieftains ), teungku ( the noble ) and hig respected persons.

Hope this helps :)

Dajak 13th December 2006 07:22 AM

Hi all thanks the explanation very nice

.................................................. .................................................. ....according to some acehnesse, the gold on hilt / handle / scabbard only can be made / owned for Panglima ( commander , chieftains ), teungku ( the noble ) and hig respected persons
by Utami
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This I wanna know Thanks


Ben

RhysMichael 13th December 2006 11:58 PM

Once again Utami your comments have been a great deal of help. You are too modest about what you know about these swords
Thank you
John


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