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Kubur 1st October 2016 03:59 PM

TURKISH kindjal
 
Hi
Do you have any good examples of Turkish Ottoman kindjal?
Not Greek and not Caucasian
Real Turkish Ottoman kindjals with straight or curved blade...
The only ones that I know are the Trabzon coral stuffed kindjals...
Do you know other styles?
Thanks

stelio 2nd October 2016 12:59 PM

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Hello Kubur.

A few days ago I bought an ottoman kindjal but yet not I have in my hands. I will upload a photo that I found in the internet that is similar.
My opinion is this is the Ottoman type kindjal with the designation qama.

ariel 2nd October 2016 04:24 PM

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Here is mine. Circassian style of decoration.

Kubur 2nd October 2016 04:57 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by stelio
Hello Kubur.

A few days ago I bought an ottoman kindjal but yet not I have in my hands. I will upload a photo that I found in the internet that is similar.
My opinion is this is the Ottoman type kindjal with the designation qama.


Hi Stelio,
It's exactly what i was looking for, thanks.
It's really a good catch, just a gorgeous dagger. What a shame that you don't have the scabbard. Some collectors call them Court daggers... and i think that is so wrong, let's call them daggers for wealthy people or noblemen daggers.
Best,
Kubur

Kubur 2nd October 2016 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel
Here is mine. Circassian style of decoration.


Thank you Ariel!
I have a problem if the decoration is Caucasian, and maybe the blade.
What makes your kindjal Turkish? I know that you are very sharp for Caucasian affairs so i'm sure that you have good reasons but for a little head like me it's not obvious...
Best,
Kubur

stelio 29th May 2017 11:31 AM

ottoman qama / kama
 
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Ottoman big kindjal or kama
Late 18th century early 19th century. His rhinoceros handle with golden patterns and writing on his blade.

Martin Lubojacky 29th May 2017 12:45 PM

Hi Stelio, what is the total length og this kinjal ? I gues no rivets/studs in the handle ....

stelio 29th May 2017 01:17 PM

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Hello Martin!
The total length is 67 cm to 50 cm the length of the blade.It has two studs/rivets in the top of the handle( look photo) and there is some kind of glue inside.I think it's a mix of resin along with other materials.

Stelios

TVV 29th May 2017 05:13 PM

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Here is a much more mundane example, which I believe is purely Turkish.

Teodor

Martin Lubojacky 30th May 2017 11:36 AM

Thanks Stelio. I asked, because till now I saw this kind of Ottoman (and I would say from Anatolian territory ?) rhino hilt (exactly the same shape - I mean especiall the upper part) without any rivets. In one case there were rivets, but attached only from decorative reason (it did not go through the steel tongue ; BTW - the steel tongue inside the hilt used to go to cca mid length of the hilt in these concrete cases). It may be that in your case the rivets were "supplemented" additionaly to reinforce the old dagger)

Also, very often it these cases, the blade used to taper immediately from the hilt (like very long triangle), which is not common in another qama styles.

estcrh 21st July 2017 05:35 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kubur
Hi
Do you have any good examples of Turkish Ottoman kindjal?
Not Greek and not Caucasian
Real Turkish Ottoman kindjals with straight or curved blade...
The only ones that I know are the Trabzon coral stuffed kindjals...
Do you know other styles?
Thanks

Here is an example of an Ottoman bebut kindjal.

17in. overall, 9.5in blade, 1.75in. wide at the forte.

Kubur 21st July 2017 06:31 AM

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Hi Guys
What about this nice chap?

estcrh 22nd July 2017 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur
Hi Guys
What about this nice chap?
Nice example!

Kubur 22nd July 2017 07:32 AM

Thank you Estrch
In fact I was expecting to find more like this one...
Your example is very nice too!

:)

estcrh 22nd July 2017 07:39 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kubur
Thank you Estrch
In fact I was expecting to find more like this one...
Your example is very nice too!

:)

I looked around but could not find many of this type, do you have any measurements on yours?

Kubur 22nd July 2017 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by estcrh
I looked around but could not find many of this type, do you have any measurements on yours?


one similar with a straight blade
around 55-60cm

estcrh 23rd July 2017 08:45 AM

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Another straight example.

estcrh 23rd July 2017 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur
Thank you Ariel!
I have a problem if the decoration is Caucasian, and maybe the blade.
What makes your kindjal Turkish?

I also wonder what makes Ariels kindjal Ottoman.

Kubur 19th August 2017 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by estcrh
Another straight example.


Is it possible to say that it is a Syrian ottoman kindjal????

More than Turkish

ariel 19th August 2017 09:08 AM

Sorry for piping in late.

My example has a mixture of decorative elements: niello decorations in the Circassian style and a characteristic South Caucasian/Turkish bar on the handle.
It suggests one of the two possibilities:
1). It came from the Turkey-dominated South Caucasian area ( such as Megrelia); or
2). It is the so-called "muhadjir"work by Circassian masters after their exile to the Ottoman Empire.

I have consulted with Kirill Rivkin, and he confirmed the Turkish connection.


Kubur, I might have misunderstood your question: if you were looking for a purely Turkish example, mine is not what you were looking for. If, however, you wanted to see Turkey-influenced one, mine would fit the bill.


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