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Miguel 12th July 2016 08:09 PM

Is this a Sadap ?
 
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Hello Everyone, I know this question has been asked before as I have been searching through previous threads on the subject. I have had this weapon which I always thought was a Parang Latok used by the Land Dayaks of Malaya for a long time but from research I now think but am not completely sure that it may be a Parang Sadap used by the Muslim Melanau people of Malaya and would be grateful for confirmation or otherwise of this from the more knowledgeable members together with any comments and age if possible from the photos.
Thanking you in anticipation
Miguel

mariusgmioc 12th July 2016 10:33 PM

SADAP
Kalimantan, Melanau
A variant of the parang latok where the blade's shoulder is octagonal in cross-section

(no illustration given)

That's the definition from "Traditional Weapons of the Indonesian Archipelago" by Albert G. van Zonneveld.

So, I guess the answer is yes, this is a Sadap.

ariel 13th July 2016 01:36 AM

"Sadat is Parang latok , but with an octagonal shoulder...."
Reminds me of Kama Sutra, where Position #54 is in fact Position #53, just with your fingers crossed:-)

kai 13th July 2016 02:05 AM

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yes, this is a Sadap.
An a really nice example at that!

Congrats - please keep me posted if you decide to let it go, Miguel!

Regards,
Kai

Maurice 13th July 2016 07:16 AM

Hi Miguel,

Because the "shoulder" is octagonal in section, indeed it is called a sadap, which were in use by the Milanau tribes.
A rather rare to find sword.

Maurice

mariusgmioc 13th July 2016 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel
"Sadat is Parang latok , but with an octagonal shoulder...."
Reminds me of Kama Sutra, where Position #54 is in fact Position #53, just with your fingers crossed:-)

Brilliant! :D :D :D

kronckew 13th July 2016 11:22 AM

sadly, every one i've seen is bent at the blade/bolster junction. :p :rolleyes:
feel free to send it to me, and i'll contemplate what to do about that.

(nice one!)

CharlesS 13th July 2016 11:53 AM

Here is another thread dedicated to the sadap.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sadap

mariusgmioc 13th July 2016 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew
sadly, every one i've seen is bent at the blade/bolster junction. :p :rolleyes:
feel free to send it to me, and i'll contemplate what to do about that.

(nice one!)

Yeah, I noticed that too.

I don't understand why doesn't he have it straightened up?!
:shrug: :D

Miguel 14th July 2016 07:07 PM

Thanks everyone for your kind comments and a positive confirmation that it is indeed a Parang Sadap :) Nice analogy Ariel, just jog my memory if you would, what did position 54 entail? :)

Does anyone know how this weapon originated? agriculture perhaps I cant think of anything else. The Parang Latok and the Parang Pandat war sword also have the angled hilt and seem peculiar to this region. Thanks again for your replies they are much appreciated.
Regards
Miguel

Maurice 14th July 2016 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Miguel
Does anyone know how this weapon originated? agriculture perhaps I cant think of anything else.

They are multi functional, and definately as weapon.
The question how it originated would stay a mistery I suppose. Only speculations.......

Miguel 15th July 2016 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice
They are multi functional, and definately as weapon.
The question how it originated would stay a mistery I suppose. Only speculations.......

Hello Maurice,
I guess you are right much as my search for the origin of the Coorgs and trying to determine whether or not the Kukri influenced the design of the Ayda Katti or not but its fun trying and you learn a lot at the same time.
Regards
Miguel


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