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Sajen 19th September 2014 10:09 PM

My gunong collection and some thoughts
 
Ian has recently asked in a other thread why and what we collect. I have given the answer in his thread already but here some deeper aspects. By threads in this forum, special by threads from Steve Ferguson I get interest for this beautiful daggers. I asked myself some time ago if I should collect only the old/antique ones but decided to collect all which was made for real use. Some interesting pieces I have to let go, by some I was outbid, others has been to expensiv, one very intersting piece get confiscated by german customs. I will show my collection piece by piece, my thoughts about them and what I think about the age. Some of them was discussed before, I will post the links. It is interesting to see how this daggers has looked in different times. In my opinion are the newer pieces also very worthy for a collection as long as they worked for real use, here two threads where I have shown two very interesting gunongs, not antique but worked for use: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ighlight=gunong & http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ighlight=gunong Both are worth to enter a gunong collection.
This interesting gunong get confiscated by german customs because the seller write on the custom declaration "bear tooth handle": http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ighlight=gunong , a very interesting piece IMHO.
Here an very informative link: http://home.earthlink.net/~federico...oroweapons.html

Sajen 19th September 2014 10:19 PM

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Here my centerpiece of my gunong collection, it was dicussed before in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ighlight=gunong

Scabbard and handle attachments are from silver with two small bands from suassa, pommel from ivory. Blade seems to be laminated but it need more polishing to be sure. Age: 1900-1910. 29,5 cm inside scabbard, blade approx. 19 cm.

Sajen 19th September 2014 10:25 PM

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A little and simple gunong but with outstanding patina to the wooden parts, all fittings are from brass. Age I would guess around 1920. Blade still need more polishing and a etch to tell if it's laminated. 20,5 cm inside scabbard, blade 12,5 cm.

Sajen 19th September 2014 10:39 PM

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Here a little gunong with MOP handle, it was disscussed here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ighlight=gunong
Scabbard from bamboo with brass fittings is maybe a later replacement. The gunong could be from Sulu, age 1930-1940?, ferrule from silver. Laminated blade. 23,5 cm inside scabbard, blade 14 cm.

Sajen 19th September 2014 10:47 PM

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A beautiful gunong which was discussed here before: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showt...ighlight=gunong
Fittings are from silver (not plated as thought before) and suassa. Wavy blade, not etched until now. 25 cm sheathed, blade 16 cm. Age 1920-1930.

Sajen 19th September 2014 10:55 PM

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One of my very first gunongs, fittings are from white metal (german silver?), good worked blade with engravings, guard from horn. Age I would guess 1930-1940, blade from mono steel. 27 cm overall, blade 15 cm.

Sajen 19th September 2014 11:06 PM

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An interesting gunong from 1940 or later, scabbard bands from brass (restored), ferrule aluminium bands over brass, wooden pommel with iron plates reinforced. Very good worked blade is laminated. In my eyes a good later fighter. 28 cm sheathed, blade 18 cm. First I want to resell it, now it is on my display.

Sajen 19th September 2014 11:15 PM

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A gunong from 1940 or later, complete with aluminium fittings, laminated blade with engravings. One of my first gunongs, very nice banati pommel. Very nice gunong of this time frame IMHO. 30 cm inside scabbard with a blade from 19,5 cm.

Sajen 19th September 2014 11:28 PM

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A interesting gunong from the same time frame wich has seen a lot of use. It seems that this gunong has had once a owner from the Visayas, the leather throat at the scabbard let me think like this. Guard from alternating horn and aluminium plates and the "false" ferrule from alternating horn, aluminium and ivory (?) or bone plates, beautiful grained wood pommel. Very broad engraved blade is laminated. 27,5 cm sheathed, blade a little bit over 16 cm.

Sajen 19th September 2014 11:39 PM

An other early gunong is still by Jose, will post similar pictures when I have it in my hands. Pieces I will purchase in future will be shown here as well. I think that this thread can give an overview of the development of this intersting daggers but I am aware that not all forms and ages are shown. :)

Battara 20th September 2014 01:55 AM

Shall we call you Tito Gunong Jr.? (Steve Ferguson would be Tito Gunong Sr.)

DaveA 20th September 2014 07:49 AM

Thank you - So many Gunong!
 
So many beautiful and functional gunong! I am very pleased to see this fine pictures and hope they will become a reference for others. The mother-of-pearl hilt is especially wonderful.

Best,

Dave A.

Ferguson 20th September 2014 09:52 AM

Very nice pieces. They are addictive, aren't they? :D Thank you for sharing them with us.
Steve

Sajen 20th September 2014 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara
Shall we call you Tito Gunong Jr.? (Steve Ferguson would be Tito Gunong Sr.)


Hello Jose,

this would be to much honor! :D Steve's collection is outstanding and was my main inspiriration but the time is gone that you can buy so many by low prices.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen 20th September 2014 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveA
So many beautiful and functional gunong! I am very pleased to see this fine pictures and hope they will become a reference for others. The mother-of-pearl hilt is especially wonderful.

Best,

Dave A.


Thank you as well Dave. Hope that it will be a little help for others to place their own pieces!

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen 20th September 2014 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferguson
Very nice pieces. They are addictive, aren't they? :D Thank you for sharing them with us.
Steve


Hello Steve (Tito Gunong),

very addictive, I am afraid that I am hooked on them already. :D

Regards,
Detlef

russel 23rd September 2014 10:55 AM

A beautiful collection Detlef. When you receive the restored Gunong from Robert, it would be great to see a group photograph.

Russel

Sajen 23rd September 2014 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by russel
A beautiful collection Detlef. When you receive the restored Gunong from Robert, it would be great to see a group photograph.

Russel


Thank you Russel,

Jose has restored the other gunong, just for clarification. :) Will post a group picture when I have received it!

Best regards,
Detlef

Sajen 27th October 2014 07:25 PM

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This gunong will enter the small family of my collection soon. I think it is from around 1910-1920 with half waved blade and silver fittings. 10" or 25,4 cm inside scabbard with a blade from 6,25" or 16 cm.
Your comments are welcome! :)

Robert 28th October 2014 04:01 AM

Very nice catch Detlef, a great addition to your growing collection of gunongs. I am saving my money for a very special item that I have been wanting to add to my collection for years so I haven't been doing any buying from ebay of late. Going by the dress on the hilt and scabbard I would agree with your dating on this piece though I have always wondered about when this blade design actually first started showing up. My congratulations to you on this new addition and the best of luck to you on finding your next.

Best,
Robert

David 28th October 2014 04:07 AM

That's a really sweet one Detlef! Congratulations!

russel 28th October 2014 08:46 AM

Congratulations Detlef, truly stunning.

Sajen 28th October 2014 10:20 AM

Thank you Robert, David and Russel!

Robert, can't answer when this blade shape first started showing up, I only know that it is quite rare. I just have had a look to Steve's last family portrait and see only one with a similar blade shape. Maybe Jose will know more and can give his educated opinion.

Thank you all three again for your kind words! :)

Regards,
Detlef

Royston 28th October 2014 01:17 PM

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Nice thread.

Here are my 4.

From left to right the hilts are:- M.O.P, wood, wood, bone.
The left hand one shows signs of blade lamination.

Regards
Roy

Sajen 28th October 2014 02:11 PM

Hello Roy,

I really like the second from the left, a very early example, turn of the 19th century. The one with MOP is also a nice one. The both on the right are post WWII, but the one with wooden handle has a very nice okir work.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen 23rd November 2014 07:13 PM

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Another one which will enter the family soon.

kronckew 23rd November 2014 07:34 PM

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i love gunongs,
my favourite lives on the nigghtstand next to the bed.

justincase ;)

Robert 23rd November 2014 08:40 PM

Very nice addition Detlef. You are starting to acquire quite the collection of these. You need to start showing a family group photo every once in awhile too.:D

Kronckew, I've a "justincase" too. Though not as pretty as yours it does hold 15 rounds.:eek:

Best,
Robert

Sajen 23rd November 2014 08:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert
Very nice addition Detlef. You are starting to acquire quite the collection of these. You need to start showing a family group photo every once in awhile too.:D


Hello Robert,
thank you. Maybe I will have some work with it, look like the blade is plated. :shrug:
Will take a family portrait when I have received it.

Regards,
Detlef

russel 23rd November 2014 10:38 PM

Another nice one Detlef, congratulations.

Sajen 23rd November 2014 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by russel
Another nice one Detlef, congratulations.


Thank you Russel! :)

Sajen 23rd November 2014 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew
i love gunongs,
my favourite lives on the nigghtstand next to the bed.

justincase ;)


:D :D For "this" case I have a long blade! Are the mounts from silver or aluminium?

Regards,
Detlef

Rick 24th November 2014 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kronckew
i love gunongs,
my favourite lives on the nigghtstand next to the bed.

justincase ;)


If Justincase came through the door I think I'd rather just shoot the bastard . :eek:

Robert 24th November 2014 06:34 AM

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If Justincase came through the door I think I'd rather just shoot the bastard .


My exact sentiments as well Rick. :D

kronckew 24th November 2014 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert
Very nice addition Detlef. You are starting to acquire quite the collection of these. You need to start showing a family group photo every once in awhile too.:D

Kronckew, I've a "justincase" too. Though not as pretty as yours it does hold 15 rounds.:eek:

Best,
Robert

i used to have a 1911 colt .45 acp mk. IV series 70 in a shoulder holster hanging on the bedpost when i was last living in the states. and a 12 ga. pump riot gun with an extended mag under the bed. my then wife had my s&w 6in.model 66 in the nightstand drawer on her side. (she got custody of it when we split).

i didn't need 15 rounds ;)

and my group photo: :)

Rick 24th November 2014 03:19 PM

With that grouping you'd only need one .

Sajen 30th November 2014 05:41 PM

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Have etched the blade of the in post #19 shown gunong, it shows a nice lamination.

Sajen 6th December 2014 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen
Another one which will enter the family soon.


Have received the gunong, it's a very big one, 36 cm inside scabbard with a blade lenght from 23,5 cm. Fittings are from silver but poorly done. The blade wasn't plated and after a quick polish and etch it show a beautiful lamination. Will show pictures later at the day and also a group picture.

Robert 6th December 2014 11:08 AM

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Will show pictures later at the day and also a group picture.


Great, looking forward to seeing your little family all together.

Best,
Robert

Sajen 6th December 2014 02:14 PM

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Here the "new" one.


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