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eftihis 10th March 2014 11:03 AM

Yataghan inscription translation please!
 
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Hello, could you please translate the inscriptions in the yataghan? In the first photo of the "tugra" design, it looks like the cyrilic letter "Φ", could that be the case?

AJ1356 10th March 2014 01:07 PM

A nice old yataghan, in much need on love. On the Cyrillic character, i think just is just a coincidence that it looks like that. The first portion reads, Work of Usmaan, Owner Ibraahiim, year 1110 it is 1433 now I think, there are websites where you can input the year and would give you the AD. I can't make anything out of the second inscription since it is in Turkish, but we have a few guys here you could help you with that.

rand 10th March 2014 02:03 PM

Date conversion
 
To convert an Islamic date one subtracts three percent first, thens adds six hundred and twenty two.

1110 X .03 = 33

1110 - 33 = 1077

1077 + 622 = 1699

This yataghan looks to be 19th century, sometimes important historical dates are used.

rand

eftihis 10th March 2014 02:24 PM

Dear AJ1356, and Rand Thank you for your comments!
Dear Rand, i ma very happy to see you, it has been a long time!!!
You have told me in the past about this style of inlay, (that is hammered with triangles like punches) that is older than koftgari.
Taking that into account, you think there is apossibility to be 1699 the real production date of this yataghan?

rand 10th March 2014 04:44 PM

Yataghan time period
 
Hello Eftihis,

Am hoping your are finding many treasure there.

The over strike triangular punch style inlay is mostly associated with Ottoman inlay work. The koftgari style of overlay is an older technique of the two. Assuming the blade has a spine with two grooves, 1750-1850 would be the likely time period of the blade. If you can identify Ottoman ruler with this Tugra the time of use can be narrowed. The yataghans of this type usually are mid 18th C. through the 19th C.

Nice yataghan,
rand

ALEX 10th March 2014 05:14 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by rand
...If you can identify Ottoman ruler with this Tugra the time of use can be narrowed....


A general question - are "tugras" like this on similar yataghans actually of the ruling Sultan? The silver proof marks were, but the coftgaried or inlaid inscriptions on the blades were in my opinion just stylized Tugras with owner or maker names, not the actual tugras of Sultan.

eftihis 10th March 2014 05:31 PM

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Well, this high quality yataghan has the tugra of Mohamed Ali, the ruler of Egypt.

rand 10th March 2014 08:17 PM

Tugra example
 
Great tugra example on a yataghan Eftihis. We can safely assume the Eftihis' yataghan had a period of use starting sometime between 1769-1849, the reign of Muhammad Ali Pasha.

rand

Zifir 24th March 2014 05:57 PM

Hi Efhitis,

Name of the maker, owner and date are as follows:

Amel-i Osman Beşe Cemaat 3 Sahib İbrahim Beşe Sene 1111

Work of Osman Beşe of 3rd Janissary Cemaat, Owner İbrahim Beşe, Year 1699-1700

I could not figure out the second inscription completely, even though I am sure it is Turkish. I will let you know if I make any breakthrough :(

eftihis 25th March 2014 06:25 AM

Thank you very much Zifir, great as always!


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