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Dajak 26th March 2006 05:20 PM

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Hi this is my latest

kino 26th March 2006 06:29 PM

That's a nice one D. I've been looking at that for a while. I like that fabric
wrapped scabbard, a fullered blade, and the Ivory kakatua.

Spunger,
I also recall back in the day, a man with a smashed grill hanging around the Sari-sari store, looking for someone to kick him down some tuba. LOL!

VVV 27th March 2006 09:14 AM

A beautiful Kris!
I have also had my eyes on this one for a while.
The fabric on the scabbard is very interesting and I haven't seen
that before. Do you know the meaning/purpose of it?

Michael

Dajak 27th March 2006 04:33 PM

Hi Michael this signs are also used by headhunters from Assam to Borneo
It is an very big Kris it looks more an sword The Ivory pommel is very big.
The first time it was for sale I was to late but he get it back an than I was the first to get it.

I normally don t collect this stuff but this one I like.

kronckew 27th March 2006 05:14 PM

thought i'd add in my flyssa, not exactly my latest but quite recently aquired:


Spunjer 27th March 2006 06:17 PM

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latest acquisition:

here's a


...sword.


can anyone shed a light on this whether it's filipino or indonesian? handle is carabao horn, pommel appears to be a bat, and it has a peened tang. ferrule is brass.

OAL=28"
blade:
length=21.5"
widest point=2"
thickness closest to the hilt=3/8"

Tim Simmons 27th March 2006 07:06 PM

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This arrived this morning. From areas south of Lake Victoria 66cm long but only a 5cm diameter head so more of a gentleman's club than that of a warrior, could still give someone a very unpleasant whack.

VVV 27th March 2006 07:08 PM

I recognise Spunjer's beauty from eBay. ;)
Think it's Visayan and related to this one

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1906

Michael

Spunjer 28th March 2006 05:04 AM

michael,

the handle design does look similar, from the way the grip is designed, to the copper/brass cap on the pommel. also the blade is generally similar in design. a fellow forumite informed me that it might be of dyak origin. my initial hunch was luzon, batangas to be exact; not sure tho...

VVV 28th March 2006 06:34 AM

Spunjer,

I doubt that it has anything to do with Dayaks.

Michael

mross 28th March 2006 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by VVV
A beautiful Kris!
I have also had my eyes on this one for a while.
The fabric on the scabbard is very interesting and I haven't seen
that before. Do you know the meaning/purpose of it?

Michael


Dajak, Kino, VVV;
Could you let me know where this Kris came from? It seems several of you had
a eye on it, and I'm always looking for places to feed my addiction. So could you
let me know your source?
Thanks,
Mike

kino 28th March 2006 10:33 PM

Spunger, good catch. It looks Bisaya to me, but what do I know.

Mross, PM sent.

Dajak 29th March 2006 03:37 AM

Hi Mross this kris was for sale By an european weapon dealer

http://www.ashokaarts.com/edgedweapons/edgedweapons.htm

His name is Stefan and I met him several times when he visit my country.

Very high class weapons he have.

Valjhun 29th March 2006 03:22 PM

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My latest... I'm happy!! :D

Spunjer 1st April 2006 04:38 AM

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latest one:

barung with a bigger-than-your-average-handle:

OAL= 25.5"
Blade= 18.25"

comparison with other barungs (third pic)

galvano 1st April 2006 05:29 PM

my latest acquision
 
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today. your comment

Flavio 1st April 2006 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by galvano
today. your comment




GREAT :eek: !!!!!!

Ian 1st April 2006 06:17 PM

Ron:

The full length tang with brass butt cap and peened over tang speaks of Luzon. The bat head suggests Batangas, as does the blade shape, brass ferrule and small guard. I vote Batangas (Luzon) for this one.

Ian.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spunjer
latest acquisition:

here's a


...sword.


can anyone shed a light on this whether it's filipino or indonesian? handle is carabao horn, pommel appears to be a bat, and it has a peened tang. ferrule is brass.

OAL=28"
blade:
length=21.5"
widest point=2"
thickness closest to the hilt=3/8"

Ian 1st April 2006 06:23 PM

Ron:

Nice acquisition.

The middle one of the three, with the longer than average punto, might come from the Samal people (Tawi-Tawi) in the Sulu Archipelago. There are others here more knowledgable than I am about the finer distinctions among barung hilts.

Ian

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spunjer
latest one:

barung with a bigger-than-your-average-handle:

OAL= 25.5"
Blade= 18.25"

comparison with other barungs (third pic)

Ian 1st April 2006 07:37 PM

Palawan bolo (Tagbanua people)
 
Here is a recent acquisition that comes from the Tagbanua people of central Palawan. It has several features that resemble Moro weapons -- notably, the shape of the hilt and scabbard, and okir engravings on each. I have not been able to determine if the Tagbanua are a tribal group of Muslims or if they simply copy the weapons style of the Palawano or other Moro groups.

In any case, this bolo bears a striking resemblance to a bangkung.

OAL in scabbard = 21 in.
Length of blade = 14.75 in.
Length of hilt = 5 in.
Thickness of blade just in front of hilt = 3/16 in.

Ian.









Yannis 1st April 2006 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by galvano
today. your comment


Four good khyber swords with two scabbards and an a interesting shield. Ottoman?

Spunjer 2nd April 2006 01:14 PM

Quote:
The bat head suggests Batangas, as does the blade shape, brass ferrule and small guard. I vote Batangas (Luzon) for this one
.


ian,

yes, that's what i was thinking as well. the scabbard also screams luzon. well, batangueno, lol.


Quote:
The middle one of the three, with the longer than average punto, might come from the Samal people...


you notice the punto too, huh? the latest one, it does have a short punto. as for the gap, another forumite mentioned that most likely it had a carabao horn ring around it at one time...

as for your latest acquisition, it's a nice one, ian. maybe this link about tagbanuas will be of help:

http://litera1no4.tripod.com/tagbanua_frame.html


ron

VVV 2nd April 2006 01:52 PM

Ian and Ron,
Do you think that mine in this thread also is from Batangas?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1906

I haven't seen that many swords from there, only Balisongs, so I don't have a clue?
Another member also commented it, off the forum, as Batangas.

Michael

Spunjer 2nd April 2006 02:07 PM

well, it's just an assumption, michael, about mine being batangas in origin. i'm also basing it on what ian mentioned. the scabbard with yours does look visayan, tho. hmmmm... :confused:

Ian 2nd April 2006 04:39 PM

Michael:

Even though your example looks like a typical Malay parang naibur, as described and illustrated in Stone, the full length tang with terminal plate on the hilt is unusual for Malay weapons which are almost always of a blind tang construction. I say "almost always" because although I have not seen a full length tang I don't exclude the possibility that someone else may have.

So I think your example is probably from Batangas also. The sheath does look Pilipino rather than from Borneo. Batangas, even though part of Luzon, is close to the Visayas and that style of scabbard could be from Batangas also.

Ian.

Quote:
Originally Posted by VVV
Ian and Ron,
Do you think that mine in this thread also is from Batangas?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1906

I haven't seen that many swords from there, only Balisongs, so I don't have a clue?
Another member also commented it, off the forum, as Batangas.

Michael

Ian 2nd April 2006 04:48 PM

Thanks Ron
 
Thanks Ron.

Very helpful information on that site. So the Tagbanua people are animists who happened to have lived under the Brunei Sultanate for a few hundred years, as well as enduring Western rule from the Spanish and Americans.

Seems an interesting group. One of the curiosities, at least to me, of language distributions in the Philippines today is that the main language on Palawan is Tagalog. Now Tagalog is the language of the major group on Luzon, but it is a fair distance from Luzon to Palawan, and parts of the Visayas are in between. When I ask locals why Tagalog is spoken on Palawan, they simply say it is part of the Tagalog Region. Anyone have a more specific answer?

Ian.

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Originally Posted by Spunjer
ian,

as for your latest acquisition, it's a nice one, ian. maybe this link about tagbanuas will be of help:

http://litera1no4.tripod.com/tagbanua_frame.html

ron

M.carter 2nd April 2006 06:08 PM

Not really old, nothing special. Arab saif with silver fittings, bone slabs hilt. There are also some markings on the forte of the blade, but nothing of importance

Sorry for the bad pic.


VVV 2nd April 2006 06:08 PM

Thanks Ian and Ron for helping me identify my sword!

Michael

PS Ian, the Borneo Parang Nabur is actually one of the exceptions of a full length tang Malay sword. But it has a wing screw at the top of the hilt, not a plate.

Titus Pullo 2nd April 2006 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons
This arrived this morning. From areas south of Lake Victoria 66cm long but only a 5cm diameter head so more of a gentleman's club than that of a warrior, could still give someone a very unpleasant whack.


I think your club would be better if it had ridges on them...for optimal damage.

Ian 2nd April 2006 09:41 PM

Thanks Michael
 
Michael:

You are absolutely correct. I was thinking of the end plate-peened tang construction when I made the comment above. Loose statement on my part. :o

Ian.

Quote:
Originally Posted by VVV
PS Ian, the Borneo Parang Nabur is actually one of the exceptions of a full length tang Malay sword. But it has a wing screw at the top of the hilt, not a plate.


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