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weapons 27 26th August 2012 10:20 AM

persian jambia for comment
 
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It is 39 cm long, the blade 27 cm

Dom 26th August 2012 11:07 AM

Hi "weapons 27"
very nice Indo-Persian jambiya, seems 20th century
his aspect, it's before, or after cleaning ?
anyway, I like it :D
a close up for the "ricasso" could be welcome ;)

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Dom

A.alnakkas 26th August 2012 11:08 AM

Hey,

Looks like a Qajar period Khanjar. Janbiya is a strict Yemeni term and these daggers were actually called Khanjar by Persians.

Its worth giving it an etch sometimes these can be wootz.

Dom 26th August 2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by A.alnakkas
Looks like a Qajar period Khanjar.

you could be correct :D
I was awaiting the pic of the "ricasso", to confirm my point of view ;)

regards Bro.

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Dom

weapons 27 26th August 2012 08:45 PM

dom
its appearance is after cleaning and protection on the blade

Andrew 26th August 2012 09:26 PM

weapons27, try putting your camera on "macro" mode, or stand back further so the item is in focus. Difficult to discern much from blurry pics. :shrug:

weapons 27 27th August 2012 05:36 AM

I just see an identical jambia on the islamic weapons 208 page book that he defined by 18th / 19th

weapons 27 27th August 2012 05:49 AM

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the problem is the need to compress photos to the forum and this altered the quality of photos once enlarged

Robert 27th August 2012 06:56 AM

These photos are no longer needed so I have deleted them.


Regards,
Robert

weapons 27 27th August 2012 04:27 PM

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NEW PHOTOS IN MACRO MODE

Ibrahiim al Balooshi 27th August 2012 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by weapons 27
NEW PHOTOS IN MACRO MODE


Salaams :) below...

Ibrahiim al Balooshi 27th August 2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by weapons 27
NEW PHOTOS IN MACRO MODE


Salaams weapons 27 Nice ! I like this dagger with its Neillo decorated cartouche and what looks like Koftgari gold work throughout including the scabbard. Careful how you clean it or you will lose the goldwork ... The Neillo will also vanish. coke cola will clean the blade but get nothing on the decorative parts at all... if in doubt dont clean it...or soap and water only. :shrug:
~ For an interesting look through the Qajar dynasty see http://www.iranchamber.com/history/qajar/qajar.php but there are plenty more on the web. The cartouche appears to be a falcon possibly with a pidgeon or duck...in its claws ... I imagine in its day this was worn by someone fairly noble at a Persian Court... badge of office as opposed to weapon of war... :)
For a basic definition of Niello see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niello but I add that Niello was a well recognised Persian(and other neighboring areas) decorative style developed to a high degree in the Qajar period. Although it evolved into an acid technique it started in ancient times as a blackening in the pattern by rubbing in burned acorn cuttings. Gold leaf was produced by hammering the metal between shets of paper made from the fibrous bast of the mulberry tree. See http://forhex.org/crafts-rajasthan-damascening-koftgari or put koftgari into forum search or see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIBpSBVDca4 :shrug: 1
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.


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