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Fernando K 1st August 2012 01:38 AM


David 1st August 2012 08:04 PM

Hello back attcha! I presume there is more to this though. Did you mean to attach a photo for ID? :shrug: :)

fernando 1st August 2012 09:08 PM

Hola Fernando.
No hay fotos ni palabras ? :confused:

Fernando K 2nd August 2012 10:42 PM

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Hi all

Request assistance in identifying this artifact which exists in a Historical Museum, is a revolver with a cylinder containing 20 sockets, center fire. triggered by means of a rope.

Affectionately. Fernando K

cannonmn 3rd August 2012 04:43 AM

Many of these made their way to the U.S. via Francis Bannerman and Sons, the famous early military surplus dealer. You should find them in the old catalogs which abound both in original and reprint form. I don't know what Bannerman said of them, but a US dealer I asked told me they were used in the bows of small landing boats when conducting an amphibious assault. They are supposedly of French or Belgian manufacture. I've seen enough of them at U.S. antique gun shows to think that Bannerman must have imported at least several, if not dozens of these odd weapons.

Jim McDougall 3rd August 2012 09:54 PM

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It seems Ive seen or heard of these smallboat guns, and Bannerman was always a relatively little known denominator in the huge volume of surplus and 'acquired' arms in the early days of the 20th c. past WWII.
What came to mind for me was the bizarre rotating drum gun used by Christopher Walken in his 1981 movie "Dogs of War".

Apparantly this 'street sweeper' type gun (in the movie the fictional XM-18) was based on a 1936 development by Charles Manville in France, originally for 12, 12 guage shotgun rounds, but stated actually for tear gas grenades and flares. Later a 25mm version with 18rounds was developed for grenades however because of its weight loaded, was scrapped by 1943.

The movie sparked interest in these attention getting weapons, and a Frankford Armory began production of a version as seen attached with the movie poster for "Dogs of War".

Unclear on what weapon actually was used in those boats, but of course multiple and rotating barrel arms have been around since medieval times so not surprising..but would sure like to know more of them. Not really sure if this gun is one of the old 'Manville's' but possibly.

Berkley 3rd August 2012 11:02 PM

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Here is the listing from the 1927 Bannerman Catalog - not very helpful in terms of origin, and implying that the one pictured and "sold to a collector" is one of a kind. ;)

kisak 1st September 2012 04:29 AM

Could there perhaps be some relationship with Puckle's "Defence gun"?

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