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mahratt 21st February 2012 12:10 PM

Translations
 
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The colleague from Russian forum asks about the help. Need someone's support in translating the words. Afghan saber:

Rick 21st February 2012 03:43 PM

Mahratt, in the future please upload pictures directly to the site .
Links disappear after time and the knowlege is then lost .

Thank you

mahratt 22nd February 2012 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick
Mahratt, in the future please upload pictures directly to the site .
Links disappear after time and the knowlege is then lost .

Thank you


Ок.

Norman McCormick 22nd February 2012 05:44 PM

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Hi,
I'll give this a go. I think the numbers are Persian or similar. This one is 1532.
Regards,
Norman.

Norman McCormick 22nd February 2012 05:47 PM

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Hi,
The top one is 1334 and the bottom one is 1402.
Regards,
Norman.

Norman McCormick 22nd February 2012 05:52 PM

Hi,
The only number that makes any sense as a date is 1334 which is equivalent to 1916 Western, the others are probably inspection/armoury no's or similar. I'm sorry I cannot help you with the script.
Regards,
Norman.

Dom 23rd February 2012 12:27 AM

Hi everybody
Norman translated perfectly all dates, as they are in Persian form
easy to deduce that the "cartouche" are in the same language ... farsi (فارسی)
because, Iran and Afghanistan share the same language

there is a translator for the "farsi" ... in the room ?? :p

à +

Dom

ps/ I translated the word just under the date 1334
SANA (سانا)either YEAR

mahratt 23rd February 2012 09:35 PM

No one knows?

AJ1356 24th February 2012 04:25 PM

get a better picture of the second picture from the top and I'll translate the whole thing for you.

mahratt 24th February 2012 06:48 PM

Unfortunately the image is only as such ((((

Dom 24th February 2012 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mahratt
Unfortunately the image is only as such ((((

not very convinced by the result,
but I cannot do better :shrug:

à +

Dom

AJ1356 25th February 2012 02:17 PM

ok, let's start from dates and then go to the rest. The inscriptions have some inconsistancies to me, I might be wrong. First, فی سنة هجری ۱۳۳۶ in the bottom the number ۱۴۰۲. To me 1402 could be just a number( maybe serial number), it can not be the year of manufature(that would make the age 31 years and that just can't be), why it is there who knows, the year 1336 now it is 1390 that is 54 years ago. Then there is another number ۱۵۳۲ 1532 that is a serial number engraved after manufacturing. Now here comes the inconsistancy, the main text reads, حبیب الفرمان اعلیحضرت سراج الملة و الدین that is the text from swords made during the time of King Habibullah (seraaj ul melat e waddin) but the dates indicate that it is made during the time of King Mohammad Zahir, it is possible that he called himself the same (seraaj ul melat e waddin) but highly unlikely, they never copied someother kings title, to my knowledge. hope it helps.

Dom 25th February 2012 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ1356
ok, let's start from dates

avoid headache ;)
they are no dateS ??? just a single ... one :p
and easy to know where it is ... it's mentioned down below, by the word SANA either YEAR
the others numeral data, haven't that indication, so, could be; armory's inventory, serial's number, etc. ... :confused:

à +

Dom

mahratt 28th February 2012 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom
avoid headache ;)
they are no dateS ??? just a single ... one :p
and easy to know where it is ... it's mentioned down below, by the word SANA either YEAR
the others numeral data, haven't that indication, so, could be; armory's inventory, serial's number, etc. ... :confused:

à +

Dom

Thank You!

AJ1356 2nd March 2012 05:14 PM

Some new info for you. The sword is roughly 96 years old, it was made during the time of Amir Habibullah, they used the lunar years back then, so the 1336 is not hijri solar as I mentioned before but hijri lunar.


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