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Matchlock 16th November 2011 11:56 PM

Swedish Navy Shipwreck 'Svärdet' of 1676 with 86 Pieces of Cannon Discovered!
 
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http://www.monstersandcritics.com/n...reck-off-Sweden

http://www.ocean-discovery.org/thesword.htm

Best,
Michael

Matchlock 17th November 2011 12:29 AM

Svärdet of course means sword.

m

Gavin Nugent 17th November 2011 02:07 AM

Awesome
 
Awesome photos, thank you for sharing and bringing this to everyones attention....still soooooooo many thousands to find and I am sure so many hundreds more will be found in my lifetime.

Gav

Matchlock 17th November 2011 02:23 AM

Hi Gav,

I too hope so (concerning my lifetime :p )!

Best,
Michael

Jim McDougall 18th November 2011 03:00 PM

Michael thank you so much for this update and photos! Artillery has never really been one of my fields of study, but on many occasions I have had the opportunity to learn a little from events much like this. I recall in California years ago when several cannon washed onto the beach near Goleta. For some years afterward there was a great deal of furor over what nationality these were, and even suggestions they may have been Sir Francis Drake's.
I believe eventually it was discovered they were much more recent, but the course of research was fascinating.

I was inspired by your entry here to seek more on the cannon from Swedish ships of this period, and naturally the most prominant example is the amazing recovery, restoration and display of the warship 'Vasa'. I found interesting notations etc. but as yet could not find the wonderful line drawings often shown which depict the often amazing detail in producing these powerful weapons. In the search I did it reminded me of how extremely important such ordnance was in the warfare through history, and how much you yourself have done to study, learn and preserve that history.
You truly are the ordnance master and steward of its history!

Thank you so much Michael! :)

All best,
Jim

M ELEY 19th November 2011 02:10 AM

Awesome pics of this interesting wreck! Yea! No 'sea worms"! That means a preserved site without all the contents spewn about. Hopefully there will be more on the artifacts as they're retrieved.

Matchlock 19th November 2011 03:12 AM

Hi Mark,


I guess that's what we all hope for!

The wreck definitely seems to be preserved in astonishingly fine condition - with at least some of the cannon hatches still open - imagine!!! That would imply that that warship was sunken in action!

I'm afraid though it will take (:( ) years to get provided with more information - considering the both 'official' and 'restoration related relevant' way: things like this are supposed to go their usually slow administrative procedure ...

Anyway, before you came in on this I was afraid very few of the community would care ...


Thanks, and best,
Michael

M ELEY 19th November 2011 11:37 AM

That second site you list about the actual battle is simply amazing. Hard to imagine captains who chose to go down with the ship. Thanks for posting this, Michael. I do love nautical history.

fernando 19th November 2011 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by M ELEY
... Hard to imagine captains who chose to go down with the ship...


Yeah, this is one of such issues !

Does it have to do with old time values?
... I mean, would captains do the same today? :confused:

At same time, were they expected to do that in the old days? A sort of "compulsive expectation", i mean.
As i don't think anybody would expect them to do that at present :shrug: .

Rick 19th November 2011 05:46 PM

The action report is disastrous; a compounding of errors, and with a lee shore at hand . :eek:

Perhaps staying with the ship would have been preferable for one's family and honor than a board of inquiry after the fact .

Another interesting thing; it's the lower gun ports; if I recall correctly both the Vasa and Mary Rose were at least partial victims to open lower gun ports .

Matchlock 19th November 2011 06:24 PM

The Sinking of Kronan - Painting of 1686 !
 
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This vivid painting, depicting the moment when the powder magazine exploded, was executed 10 years after the tragedy of 1676. Svärdet is seen on the right, engaged on both sides.

The other images show a model of Kronan, the battlefield site of 1676, and artefacts salvaged from the wreck of Kronan, such as cannon, matchlock and flintlock (?) muskets and musical instruments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronan_%28ship%29


Best,
Michael

Matchlock 19th November 2011 07:55 PM

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Some close-ups of the matchlock stocks salvaged from the wreck of Kronan. The ship sank in 1676, but from the 1670's, telling by the 'French' buttstock and the rounded lock recess, is only the complete stock suspended on top. The others show stylistic elements of ca. 1600-20, like the long stock resting in the right bottom corner, with the oblong staghorn plaques fallen off the wood, and the fishtail butts indicating a period of ca. the 1620's-40's.
All stocks are of beechwood, some of them retaining areas of their original black stained surfaces, as well as their iron fore end mounts.

In the image second from bottom you can even see two balls preserved in the open box on the underside of the buttstock - which at the time was not yet a 'patchbox' but a ball reservoir. To its right a few tinned iron powder containers from a musketeers' bandoleer are displayed, one still retaining the amount of powder - see bottom image!

Most remarkable though I think is the fact that the relatively well preserved stocks incuding their thin iron mounts are still there while the much more stable stable lock mechanisms and barrels (!) seem to have vanished!
:confused:

Best,
Michael

M ELEY 19th November 2011 10:05 PM

Incredible! As much as I love naval history, you wouldn't have been able to get me on one of those ships in the olden days. Was it Ben Johnson who said the famous quote about prison vs a ship; the only difference was with a ship, there was also a fear of drowning.
Rick- not just the Vasa and Mary Rose either. The worst disaster in maritime history prior to the Titanic was the wreck of the Royal George off Spithead in 178?. The ship was loaded with crowds, families, dignitaries while they were preparing to careen the hull. The guns had been moved from one side of the ship to the other to slightly tilt it, but the lower ports had been left open! Before they could correct the problem, the great ship (which had served in the Channel Fleet and during the Am Revolution) foundered. The loss of life was staggering. In the 1830's, they sent divers in the earliest deep diving apparatus to place a giant inflatable bladder in the ship to re-float it. It had just breached the surface when the powder hold blew, blasting the ship to pieces. To this day, one can sometimes find antiques made from the wood of the ship (I used to have a piece). Amazing how many senselessly tragic stories revolve around naval tragedy and colossal human error (Titanic, Mary Celeste, etc)

Rick 20th November 2011 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by M ELEY
The worst disaster in maritime history prior to the Titanic was the wreck of the Royal George off Spithead in 178?. The ship was loaded with crowds, families, dignitaries while they were preparing to careen the hull. The guns had been moved from one side of the ship to the other to slightly tilt it, but the lower ports had been left open! Before they could correct the problem, the great ship (which had served in the Channel Fleet and during the Am Revolution) foundered. The loss of life was staggering.


Good lord !
Did you know that Royal George sank directly over the Mary Rose ?!?
I had no idea ... :eek:

Matchlock 20th November 2011 02:37 AM

Neither did I, Rick ... grrr! :(

Thanks for adding this,
and best from a cold and clear Bavarian night,
Michael

VANDOO 20th November 2011 02:56 AM

THANKS FOR POSTING THIS :D I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTED IN SHIPWRECKS AND HAVING BEEN A SCUBA DIVER SINCE 1961 HAVE DOVE ON QUITE A FEW AND HELPED SALVAGE ONE FOR A MUSEUM IN TEXAS. THIS WRECK APPEARS TO BE IN EXCELLENT SHAPE SO THERE SHOULD BE QUITE A LOT OF GOOD ARTEFACTS TO RECOVER. JUDGEING FROM THE REBREATHER EQUIPMENT BEING USED SHE IS QUITE DEEP AND THE SUITS INDICATE QUITE COLD. IF SURFACE CONDITIONS OR CURRENTS ARE STRONG IT WILL BE A DIFFICULT BIT OF SALVAGE. I WISH THE DIVERS MANY SAFE DIVES AND GREAT FINDS AS WELL AS WARM SHOWERS AFTER THEY COME UP. :D

M ELEY 20th November 2011 06:10 AM

Sank over top of the Mary Rose! Now that I didn't know! That coastline must have a few ghosts walking it- ;)

Hi Barry,
Good to see you on this side of the Forum- :D
The wreck you mentioned? Did it happen to be the Pass Cavallo site? That one had a particularly large amount of artifacts.

Rick 20th November 2011 10:18 PM

Let me clarify a bit; when I say atop I exaggerate by about a 1/2 km .
Possibly this was a farorite area to tack or wear ship in that body of water .
Still eerie ..

M ELEY 21st November 2011 12:12 PM

In nautical distance, that IS right on top- :eek:

Let me also clarify (was going by a fuzzy memory)- The Royal George apparently was purposefully blown up and not an accidental explosion. As you mention, Rick, a busy area couldn't have a ship like this lying only 65" under the waterline.

VANDOO 22nd November 2011 12:08 AM

CLUSTERS OF WRECKS DO HAPPEN FOR VARIOUS REASONS. CERTIAN ROCKS HAVE CLAIMED NUMEROUS SHIPS OVER THE YEARS AND OFTEN THE WRECKAGE IS PILED AND INTERMINGLED IN THE SAME AREA. THERE ARE TWO WRECKS ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER IN BERMUDA A OLDER ONE UNDER A NEWER ONE.
THERE IS A PLACE OFF NEW ORLEANS WHERE FIVE SHIPS WERE SUNK IN THE SAME PLACE. THE GERMAN SUB WOULD HIDE IN A SMALL CHANNEL IN MURKEY WATER DURING THE DAY AND COME OUT AT NIGHT AND LINE UP THE SHILOUETS OF THE SHIPS WITH LIGHTS ON SHORE. THE SUB GOT AT LEAST 5 BEFRORE IT WAS BETRAYED BY CLEAR WATER AND SUNK BY AIRCRAFT ON SUB PATROL. ITS STILL THERE.
PERHAPS SAILING SHIPS SOMETIMES SUNK TOGETHER TANGLED TOGETHER IN BATTLE RAMMING OR BOARDING COULD LEAD TO SUCH EVENTS, BUT I KNOW OF NO DOCUMENTED OCCURANCES.


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