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Martin Lubojacky 22nd August 2011 10:53 PM

So called Afar dagers/knives
 
But are the really Afar ? Both the sword and daggers are comming from, or better said were bought in Ethiopia. Their assignation is comming from local trades and is not

Martin Lubojacky 22nd August 2011 11:10 PM

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....and I think is not verified: Any opinion is warm welcome.
No 1 is so called "jelly". It is big sword, the length is 95 cms, the blade is nice, heavy. Handle is made of nice hard wood.
No 2 (bought in Abuja) and 3 (bought in Djibouti, 63 cms long) are very slender, the pommel is made of wood (in one piece with handle) - not of brass. I was told they were Issa or Darod (i.e. Somali sub-clans).
No 4 and 5 - both comming from Fentale Hot Springs (within Awash National Parc) - they should be Kereyu (i. e. Oromo sub-clan).
No 6 - allegedly real Afar (finaly...)
No 7 - allegedly again real (chief) Afar ?
No 8 - this is very nice and must be very effective and dangerous weapon, it is hefty, with the blade thick and (up to) 7 cms broad. But again - is it Afar - I was told Oromo...
Regards,
Martin

Martin Lubojacky 22nd August 2011 11:14 PM

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Another photos

Martin Lubojacky 22nd August 2011 11:22 PM

The length of No 3 is 71 (not 63) cms

asomotif 22nd August 2011 11:32 PM

Hello Martin,

Sorry, can't help you out on the tribe(s).
But what a nice collection.
No. 8 is great. Is the hilt rhino ?

Best regards,
Willem

spiral 23rd August 2011 12:36 AM

Excelent collection Martin! only ever had 2 of these in last 15 years....

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif
Hello Martin,.
No. 8 is great. Is the hilt rhino ?


O yes 100% for sure even from photo....

Rhino all the way.

Spiral

Martin Lubojacky 23rd August 2011 09:18 AM

Thank you. I am afraid it is Rhino - they used to equip this kind of big daggers or better heavy short sabres with such hilts...But I think these still are not representing all versions of knives and cold weapons from Ogaden, Danakil Depression and bordering areas. Was this typology subject of some discourse/book ?

colin henshaw 23rd August 2011 11:36 AM

I've read about some of these type of knives being collected by Wilfred Thesiger, described as being Afar (Danakil). But as is often the case in Africa the form probably spreads to neighbouring areas/tribes.

ariel 23rd August 2011 12:12 PM

Obviously, there are multiple variations, but do they represent stable ethnic/geographic patterns or just random results of manufacturer's techniques and buyer's wishes? If the former, - typological study is in order, if the latter, - they are just one happy chaotic family.

Martin Lubojacky 23rd August 2011 02:42 PM

I inclined to believe there was both tribal (sub-tribal) and even holderīs position classification of this weapons

Atlantia 23rd August 2011 07:12 PM

Don't think I've ever seen so many good examples together Martin. That must have taken some effort to acomplish, well done.

Best
Gene

Rick 23rd August 2011 09:11 PM

Indeed, Number 7 awakens lust and envy in my heart . ;) :)

Tim Simmons 29th August 2011 07:54 PM

The blanket is very nice.

Freddy 29th August 2011 08:26 PM

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Here's a warrior with a similar dagger/sword.


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