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Marcokeris 11th December 2010 02:45 PM
Bali or Java??
 
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Please what do you think about this hit : Java or Bali?
I think Java but....not shure :confused:

Sajen 11th December 2010 03:10 PM
My first guess would be Bali. :shrug: How high is this hilt?

Marcokeris 11th December 2010 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Sajen
My first guess would be Bali. :shrug: How high is this hilt?
10 cm

David 11th December 2010 04:21 PM
Cool hilt! :cool:
It'd also say Bali...of maybe Lombok.

Battara 11th December 2010 05:36 PM
Oh yes Bali (or Lombak) for sure. The figure is a demon of some kind based on the fangs and finger nails.

Jean 11th December 2010 05:56 PM
Hello Marco,
Nice and uncommon specimen, is it old or artificially aged? I am not sure about the Balinese origin because of the size and absence of integrated selut.
Best regards
Jean

Marcokeris 11th December 2010 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jean
Hello Marco,
Nice and uncommon specimen, is it old or artificially aged? I am not sure about the Balinese origin because of the size and absence of integrated selut.
Best regards
Jean
The patina said me old. I think far east Java... but of course not sure. The seller told me it comes from java.

Jean 11th December 2010 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcokeris
The patina said me old. I think far east Java... but of course not sure. The seller told me it comes from java.
Hello Marco,
If it is old I would say East Java tip (in front of Bali) also.
Best regards
Jean

Marcokeris 11th December 2010 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jean
Hello Marco,
If it is old I would say East Java tip (in front of Bali) also.
Best regards
Jean
The same i think
Best regards

Sajen 12th December 2010 03:36 PM
I have several Bali hilts which have a high of 10 cm or less and also a hilt which one don't have a integrated selut so I think that this isn't imperative a sign of a Java origin. But it is of course possible that it might be a hilt from east Java with strong Bali influence.

Regards,

Detlef

Jean 13th December 2010 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Sajen
I have several Bali hilts which have a high of 10 cm or less and also a hilt which one don't have a integrated selut so I think that this isn't imperative a sign of a Java origin. But it is of course possible that it might be a hilt from east Java with strong Bali influence.

Regards,

Detlef
The style of this hilt has a Balinese influence and I also have several Balinese hilts without selut or integrated selut but with a narrow base (rounded or truncated), this one seems to have a wide and flat base which does not match with a Balinese cincin? There is no visible trace of a former metal selut covering the base which would of course identify the hilt as Balinese, may be Marco could confirm?
Best regards
Jean

Marcokeris 13th December 2010 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Jean
The style of this hilt has a Balinese influence and I also have several Balinese hilts without selut or integrated selut but with a narrow base (rounded or truncated), this one seems to have a wide and flat base which does not match with a Balinese cincin? There is no visible trace of a former metal selut covering the base which would of course identify the hilt as Balinese, may be Marco could confirm?
Best regards
Jean
Yes there is on trace of metal selut (or mendak ) at the base

tunggulametung 13th December 2010 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jean
The style of this hilt has a Balinese influence and I also have several Balinese hilts without selut or integrated selut but with a narrow base (rounded or truncated), this one seems to have a wide and flat base which does not match with a Balinese cincin? There is no visible trace of a former metal selut covering the base which would of course identify the hilt as Balinese, may be Marco could confirm?
Best regards
Jean
Good point made by Jean. Although the figure and decorative is more 'appropriate' Balinese style, the execution on the base especially remind of Madura hilt. So I vote Java (Madura).

Jean 13th December 2010 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcokeris
Yes there is on trace of metal selut (or mendak ) at the base
If there was a selut fully covering the base or part of it, then the hilt is probably Balinese and the size is appropriate. But if it was just a mendak fitted under the base, it is a different situation...
Best regards
Jean

Marcokeris 13th December 2010 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcokeris
Yes there is on trace of metal selut (or mendak ) at the base
Sorry: ...Yes there is NOT trace....

Jean 14th December 2010 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcokeris
Yes there is on trace of metal selut (or mendak ) at the base
Sorry Marco, I wrongly understood ONE trace of metal selut.... Then I also vote for East Java or Madura as Chandra.
Best regards
Jean


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