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alexish 18th February 2018 07:33 AM

Unknown Sumatran keris motif for identification - Singa Barong or Naga
 
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Dear forum members,

I have an unknown sumatran keris motif for identification. Not sure whether it is a singa barong or naga? There are two baldes here. I think that one of these is in Minangkabau dress, while the other is in Palembang dress.

Jean 18th February 2018 10:22 AM

Two rustic naga motifs IMO but looking authentic, especially the Palembang blade.
Regards

kai 18th February 2018 12:28 PM

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I have an unknown sumatran keris motif for identification. Not sure whether it is a singa barong or naga?
Quite clearly a naga in my book - the larger one even has scales and a snake-like body (albeit cut short)...

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I think that one of these is in Minangkabau dress, while the other is in Palembang dress.
I'd go for Lampung and eastern Sumatra: probably Riau hinterlands with Minang influence (possibly Indragiri?).

Regards,
Kai

alexish 18th February 2018 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kai
Quite clearly a naga in my book - the larger one even has scales and a snake-like body (albeit cut short)...


I'd go for Lampung and eastern Sumatra: probably Riau hinterlands with Minang influence (possibly Indragiri?).

Regards,
Kai

Dear Kai,

Please kindly advise on the title of the reference book.

Regards, Alexis

David 18th February 2018 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by alexish
Dear Kai,

Please kindly advise on the title of the reference book.

Regards, Alexis

I probably shouldn't speak for Kai, but "in my book" is an English express meaning something like "from my personal experience". I don't believe Kai was speaking of an actual reference book here. ;)

kai 18th February 2018 05:00 PM

Dear Alexis,

"In my book" is a possibly somewhat old-fashioned British(?) phrase/idiom for IMHO. Thus, no pertinent reference book of mine to cite, I'm afraid... ;)

Regards,
Kai

kai 18th February 2018 05:02 PM

David beat me to it... :D

alexish 19th February 2018 12:52 AM

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Dear collectors,

apologies for the misunderstanding. The reason why I originally thought that the motif could possibly be a singa barong, is that it may resemble one when viewed at a certain angle. I hereby enclose a picture.

kai 19th February 2018 02:08 AM

Hello Alexis,

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The reason why I originally thought that the motif could possibly be a singa barong, is that it may resemble one when viewed at a certain angle.
If you allow for lots of Chinese foo dog influence... ;)

IMHO clearly a naga though. Another variant to add to your list on the other thread!

Regards,
Kai

Sajen 19th February 2018 05:26 PM

Hello Alexis,

you don't mentioned any measurements from the blades but I think they are rather short. When I am correct I think you have some sort of jimat keris from two different regions there. I have a similar but much shorter (I think) from Java in my collection, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...6&postcount=10
taken from this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sajen

Regards,
Detlef

alexish 21st February 2018 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen
Hello Alexis,

you don't mentioned any measurements from the blades but I think they are rather short. When I am correct I think you have some sort of jimat keris from two different regions there. I have a similar but much shorter (I think) from Java in my collection, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...6&postcount=10
taken from this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sajen

Regards,
Detlef

Dear Detlef, Thanks you are right. There are similar motifs found on small Javanese talisman blades. I enclose some pictures.


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