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galvano 3rd April 2006 09:48 PM

inscription translation please
 
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on wootz khyber knife
thanks galvano

Zifir 3rd April 2006 10:17 PM

At last, an easy script I can read :)

The first picture:

Amel-i Osman: produced by Osman

The second one:

Tevekkeltu alallah: I place all of my trust and reliance in God

galvano 4th April 2006 06:23 PM

hi
 
Thank you very much, Zifir, for this translation.
Is this writing it modern?
Which is the country of origin of this writing.
The blade is out of wootz.
It is thus not recent.
thanks
galvano

Zifir 4th April 2006 07:23 PM

you are wellcome. Since I am not an expert in script styles, my answer will be limited.

The script in the first picture reminded me ta'lik script. The second one, on the other hand, seemed to me as just plain and crude hand writing and could have been added later. (probably that's why I could easily read it ;) )

As far as I know it's difficult to pinpoint regional/national origin of the first script (ta'lik) since these styles were commonly used in the wider geography of islamic world. I am not much help in this, sorry.

Dom 4th April 2006 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zifir
At last, an easy script I can read :)

The first picture:

Amel-i Osman: produced by Osman

The second one:

Tevekkeltu alallah: I place all of my trust and reliance in God

back on first picture

it's not more "Omar Osman" what it's writing ? than "produced by Osman" ? :o

à +

Dom

ham 4th April 2006 11:50 PM

Salut Dom,

Zifir is correct, it's 'ain-mim-lam 'aml-- this is the word most typically
used in Arabic, Persian and Ottoman inscriptions to indicate the maker, followed by a proper name. Often there is a nisba as well.

Ham

galvano 5th April 2006 06:26 PM

pattern of this knife
 
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hi .this is the pattern of wootz

Dom 7th April 2006 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ham
Salut Dom,
Zifir is correct, it's 'ain-mim-lam 'aml-- this is the word most typically
used in Arabic, Persian and Ottoman inscriptions to indicate the maker, followed by a proper name. Often there is a nisba as well. Ham

Thanks for the lesson :)
this night I will go to sleep be a little bit less stupid :p

à +

Dom

ham 7th April 2006 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom
Thanks for the lesson :)
this night I will go to sleep be a little bit less stupid :p

à +

Dom

EstaghafarUllah, ya Dom! Ne t'humilies pas!

Nice piece of steel, Galvano.

Ham


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