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Spunjer 7th July 2012 12:51 AM

the Barung is indigenous to the people of the Sulu Sultanate. it has a distinct blade and handle. there are blades in the visayan region that has a somewhat similar profile, but they are referred as something else, depending on what island they were originally from.

migueldiaz 7th July 2012 09:43 AM

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thanks ron for the comment. just to add to that, the leaf-shaped blade profile can also be found in northern philippines, for instance in northern luzon (see att. pic). in there, it's called a buneng, which is their generic term for a utility blade.

Sajen 6th March 2013 08:47 PM

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This one will come to my collection soon: http://www.ebay.com/itm/251239550702...84.m1439.l2649

Will post pictures when I have received it and have worked on it.

Have someone seen a barong before with a copper ferrule?

Regards,

Detlef

Battara 6th March 2013 11:19 PM

Interesting piece. Nice to have it complete instead of broken off pieces.

Copper ferrule........well anything is possible since I have seen brass, white metal, silver, and even the rare gold versions. Copper - not until now.

Sajen 7th March 2013 07:12 AM

The unbroken handle and the very good price was the reason why I bought it. I am curious to hold it in my hands to see which metal the the ferrule is worked from.

Regards,

Detlef

Spunjer 7th March 2013 07:09 PM

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Will post pictures when I have received it and have worked on it. Have someone seen a barong before with a copper ferrule? Regards, Detlef
Hello Detlef,
nice barung, you got there! and a good price as well.
not the initial choice of ferrule material, but yes, copper has been used from time to time.
would love to see that barung all cleaned up!

here's another example:

Sajen 7th March 2013 07:31 PM

Thank you Ron for both, your kind words and for posting this example with copper ferrule. Like said before, will post pictures again when I have received it and worked on it. Will clean & etch the blade and will give the wooden handle oil as well I will polish the copper.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen 25th March 2013 01:57 PM

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Have received the barong. There is unfortunately a small piece at the crest of the handle missing. The resin was broken out and replaced by exposy. The ferrule isn't from copper but from brass, maybe with a high copper content. The blade I have cleaned but there have been old grinding traces which I don't was able to polish away. The etching with vinegar wasn't succsessful but it is still a nice piece.

kronckew 26th March 2013 09:44 AM

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nice aunt-eeks!

all i have are these recent ones.

Timo Nieminen 5th October 2014 03:47 AM

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Here are my barong at this time. (1-4 have been shown before; #3 & #4 are just upthread.) Individual photos, measurements, and comments for each are in http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19144

#14 and #15 are modern, #10 & #13 are decorated blades, #6 is touristy.

Gavin Nugent 10th October 2014 03:43 AM

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Here are my lonely Barong. The one in the image provided, I have always wondered if it is Borneo.

My other from the Sulu region with a triple core twist blade is seen here;
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...anta+christmas

One of the best ones I had that I enjoyed very much is now with Charles;
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=silver+barong

Gavin

Maurice 10th October 2014 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SwordsAntiqueWeapons
Here are my lonely Barong. The one in the image provided, I have always wondered if it is Borneo.

My other from the Sulu region with a triple core twist blade is seen here;
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...anta+christmas

One of the best ones I had that I enjoyed very much is now with Charles;
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=silver+barong

Gavin

Hi Gav,

These types are for sure my favorite.
Yours is in perfect condition.
I think Borneo is a very good option, and I would say it is.

Kind regards,
Maurice

xasterix 2nd January 2021 07:09 AM

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I liked this thread a lot when I was starting my steel-collecting journey, so I'm necro-ing it. Here's my favorite so far.

kronckew 2nd January 2021 07:46 AM

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I've added one since my last post on this thread:

Battara 2nd January 2021 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xasterix
I liked this thread a lot when I was starting my steel-collecting journey, so I'm necro-ing it. Here's my favorite so far.

Nice shadrigan blade!

ariel 2nd January 2021 06:31 PM

Burst of activity in January 2012, them self-extinguishing dribbling up to 2014. Than silence until today. And... B-a-aahm! Another wave ( like covid).
I love how this Forum works: nothing is forgotten, new information is posted in bursts, and sometimes it changes the way we look at things.
It is like one of the main laws of Talmud: there is no before or after, our understanding may be interruptible, but always deeper and deeper.
Good job, colleagues!

ariel 2nd January 2021 06:38 PM

I suspect that the so-called " low-end" examples were the real battle one. The ones with handles of exotic materiels and with artistically carved fragile handles likely never saw a real fight.

The Bud Dajo one is, IMHO, priceless. It carries with it an awesome story.
If I were collecting Philippine weapons I would have chosen it over the rich and intricate ones.

kronckew 3rd January 2021 08:24 AM

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Forget to add this one Mid-20th c. Zamboangan with simple Maranao hilt. Guess they couldn't be bothered to get the pommel protrusions carved.25in. LOA in scabbard, 15.75 in. (40cm.) blade, 2.75in. wide, 4mm thick at the spine, 675 grams.

xasterix 3rd January 2021 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel
I suspect that the so-called " low-end" examples were the real battle one. The ones with handles of exotic materiels and with artistically carved fragile handles likely never saw a real fight.

The Bud Dajo one is, IMHO, priceless. It carries with it an awesome story.
If I were collecting Philippine weapons I would have chosen it over the rich and intricate ones.

That depends sir. There are lavishly dressed samples that have "wise" blades. The kris in my avatar has an ivory pommel and suassa hilt, but the blade has chips and is slightly bent, obviously used in battle. Conversely, there are also non-lavish samples that were never used, and are perfectly preserved.

Jerseyman 5th January 2021 12:24 AM

Cord Weave Hilt
 
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I only have a couple of these - a simple hilt with a nice twist-core blade which I picked up from Gavin years ago (currently in storage and no photos to hand), and this one picked up very recently. I've only had a chance to give it a quick wipe down so far.

It's had a bit of a hard life, but I thought it was worth posting as it has a poor man's version of the wire wrap on Pepperskull's barong - exactly the same I think except it's in cord which has frayed quite a bit.

A small area of corrosion on an otherwise nice hollow-ground blade, and an old collector's number on the hilt.


Measurements

Length 56cm
Hilt 15.5cm
Ferrule 17 x 3 x 2.4cm
Pommel 16.5 x 3.8cm
Finials 1 x 0.8cm
Blade length 40.5cm
Blade width 3 > 6.5cm
Spine 0.8 > 0.1cm

xasterix 5th January 2021 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerseyman
I only have a couple of these - a simple hilt with a nice twist-core blade which I picked up from Gavin years ago (currently in storage and no photos to hand), and this one picked up very recently. I've only had a chance to give it a quick wipe down so far.

It's had a bit of a hard life, but I thought it was worth posting as it has a poor man's version of the wire wrap on Pepperskull's barong - exactly the same I think except it's in cord which has frayed quite a bit.

A small area of corrosion on an otherwise nice hollow-ground blade, and an old collector's number on the hilt.


Measurements

Length 56cm
Hilt 15.5cm
Ferrule 17 x 3 x 2.4cm
Pommel 16.5 x 3.8cm
Finials 1 x 0.8cm
Blade length 40.5cm
Blade width 3 > 6.5cm
Spine 0.8 > 0.1cm


A really nice piece! This one has a lot of character. I like how the original owner wrapped the whole hilt...I've wielded a very similar-looking sample, but its blade wasn't shandigan.

drac2k 6th January 2021 03:06 PM

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I posted 2 barongs on the same day that this thread was begun not realizing that it was started, so let me add 3 of my other blades.

xasterix 6th January 2021 03:46 PM

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I posted 2 barongs on the same day that this thread was begun not realizing that it was started, so let me add 3 of my other blades.

Merciful Lord...that's a king's ransom of really nice barungs! Great collection!

kronckew 6th January 2021 05:45 PM

Drac2k, nice batch of barungs, the scabbard wrappings on them are giving me ideas...

drac2k 6th January 2021 08:14 PM

Thanks, guys.

Sajen 7th January 2021 10:11 PM

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Beautiful barongs drac2k!

Here a update of my ones, some are gone, some are new to the collection.

drac2k 8th January 2021 04:57 AM

WOW Sajen, pretty darn nice ones you got there yourself; and with scabbards!

Sajen 8th January 2021 01:37 PM

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WOW Sajen, pretty darn nice ones you got there yourself; and with scabbards!

Thank you! :) But yours with the inlaid blades are outstanding.

The scabbards by the first one from left and the second from right are not original to the blades but fit them fairly well. The two at right are shadigan blades, not good to see in the pictures.

xasterix 13th January 2021 11:57 PM

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Just received this barung last week, passed on by another forumite =) so difficult to get rid of the leaf-blade bug.

kronckew 14th January 2021 05:43 PM

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Just received this barung last week, passed on by another forumite =) so difficult to get rid of the leaf-blade bug.

True, I have more barungs than I have hands to use them.

Is that dark streak in the scabbard a crack or a darker graining? A closeup of the carving near the scabbard mouth and of the grip pommel would be useful too. And, I have this odd desire to oil & rub my wood scabbards with furniture oil... Might do the Kris ones too.

:) I love the R'eyes' mark on the blade root...cool trademark. Mfg by M.Reyes I presume.

xasterix 18th January 2021 04:06 AM

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True, I have more barungs than I have hands to use them.

Is that dark streak in the scabbard a crack or a darker graining? A closeup of the carving near the scabbard mouth and of the grip pommel would be useful too. And, I have this odd desire to oil & rub my wood scabbards with furniture oil... Might do the Kris ones too.

:) I love the R'eyes' mark on the blade root...cool trademark. Mfg by M.Reyes I presume.

Hi sir, it's a crack...the scabbard is damaged. I've included additional pictures.

kronckew 18th January 2021 05:15 AM

Nice, I'd be tempted to wick some superglue into the handle crack & possibly fill the scabbard defect with a wood putty or filler of some sort if you can do it without blocking the entrance of the blade, or possibly just wrap it in a few spots with rattan or other appropriate cord. But that's just me...

Royston 18th January 2021 11:36 AM

More Barongs
 
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Here is my contribution

kai 18th January 2021 08:16 PM

Very nice collection, Roy!

kronckew 18th January 2021 08:33 PM

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Very nice collection, Roy!

Yup, cool stuff. Excellent!

Sajen 18th January 2021 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kai
Very nice collection, Roy!

Agree! :) :cool:

xasterix 18th January 2021 10:21 PM

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Here is my contribution

Amazing collection! One of the best I've seen so far. May we inquire for more info regarding the 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th samples? The 6th sample seems extra interesting as it has provenance note.

Royston 23rd January 2021 08:51 AM

Hello Xasterix.
Can't tell you too much about them as I find Barung nomenclature somewhat confusing.
However, #5 is slightly hollow ground but it does not have a pronounced rib so I don't think it could be called shandigan.

The inscription on #6 is hard to read. I can only make out:-
From (somewhere) village
I cannot read the second line at all
Bought by Col Bird ?
April 4 1900

Cheers
Roy

kronckew 23rd January 2021 04:16 PM

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The inscription on #6 is hard to read. I can only make out:-
From (somewhere) village
I cannot read the second line at all
Bought by Col Bird ?
April 4 1900...

I enlarged it, and sharpened it a bit. I still can't make out anything on that second line. The rest would make a good example for a doctor's handwriting, it's so obscure. Maybe someone else can try?

kino 24th January 2021 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Royston
The inscription on #6 is hard to read. I can only make out:-
From (somewhere) village
I cannot read the second line at all
Bought by Col Bird ?
April 4 1900

(somewhere) could be “Moro”

2nd line, 1st word crossed out “Sul”, as in Sulu, 2nd word looks like “Island”
3rd word, the last 4 letters looks like”jolo”


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