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Lee 15th October 2019 04:30 PM

Bandolier for Identification
 
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Received in my e-mail with a request for identification of origin and age

Mercenary 15th October 2019 05:07 PM

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I know nothing about it but I see my favorite ornamentation! It was usual for Caucasus in 19th and much earlier for another regions of Asia. I like it.
And later in Russia. I am happy, thanks a lot!

corrado26 15th October 2019 06:06 PM

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Here a foto of a nice collection of these caps
corrado26

Kubur 15th October 2019 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by corrado26
Here a foto of a nice collection of these caps
corrado26

Nice Caucasians!

Kubur 15th October 2019 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee
Received in my e-mail with a request for identification of origin and age

For this one, I will let Ibrahiim answering to your question...
I'm very jealous!!

Ren Ren 15th October 2019 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercenary
I know nothing about it but I see my favorite ornamentation! It was usual for Caucasus in 19th and much earlier for another regions of Asia. I like it.
And later in Russia. I am happy, thanks a lot!

This item is not from the Caucasus or from Russia.
But I also see in him the influence of Turkic and Slavic traditions. I would venture to suggest Bulgaria or Serbia.

TVV 15th October 2019 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ren Ren
This item is not from the Caucasus or from Russia.
But I also see in him the influence of Turkic and Slavic traditions. I would venture to suggest Bulgaria or Serbia.

I do not see anything Balkan in this item. I am with Kubur on this one - I think it is from Southern Arabia.

Teodor

kahnjar1 15th October 2019 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TVV
I do not see anything Balkan in this item. I am with Kubur on this one - I think it is from Southern Arabia.

Teodor

Not Arabian IMHO
Stu

Kubur 15th October 2019 09:34 PM

Agreed Stu, not Arabian
But maybe Omani???
:)

kahnjar1 16th October 2019 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur
Agreed Stu, not Arabian
But maybe Omani???
:)

Not Omani IMHO. Here is a pic of an Omani bandolier. Note that the stoppers are leather/fibre rather than metal caps. My thinking is the Balkans somewhere.
Hopefully Rick will come in on this one..............
Stu

ariel 16th October 2019 03:22 AM

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This is unquestionably Oriental, most likely Islamic.
Artzi has a somewhat similar one ( see pic) attributed to the Ottomans.
I would put this one farther East: Afghanistan or Central Asia.

Mercenary 16th October 2019 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel
Afghanistan or Central Asia.

Highly likely. Similar ornamentation was also used there.

ariel 16th October 2019 01:15 PM

And pierced metal borders of the holder ( first pic). Afghanis loved this element of decoration and used it widely.

Kubur 16th October 2019 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel
And pierced metal borders of the holder ( first pic). Afghanis loved this element of decoration and used it widely.

Ariel it's time to change your glasses, there is no pierced metal borders, it's the sewing...

And I disagree Afghan bandouliers are not like that, Rick and I posted some on the forum...

ariel 16th October 2019 10:33 PM

Look at the very first pic. Pierced metal.

kahnjar1 17th October 2019 02:53 AM

I don't see pierced metal either. What I see is pierced leather with the stitching missing.
Stu

ariel 17th October 2019 06:33 AM

Looks like shiny metal border to me.
Maybe, I do need new glasses...
We can ask Lee to verify it with the owner.

Kubur: I cannot recall your earlier post about Afghani bandoliers.

Kubur 17th October 2019 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel
Looks like shiny metal border to me.
Maybe, I do need new glasses...
We can ask Lee to verify it with the owner.

Kubur: I cannot recall your earlier post about Afghani bandoliers.

here all the Afghan kamar

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghan+cartridge

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=afghan+belt

As you can see they have nothing to do with the one posted above... IMHO

fernando 17th October 2019 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kahnjar1
I don't see pierced metal either. What I see is pierced leather with the stitching missing.
Stu

No doubt :cool:.

Ren Ren 17th October 2019 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur
here all the Afghan kamar
As you can see they have nothing to do with the one posted above... IMHO

I completely agree. Thanks for these links, Kubur.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi 17th October 2019 04:40 PM

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For this one, I will let Ibrahiim answering to your question...
I'm very jealous!!


THESE APPEAR TO BE …… Omani . The design style confirms this in the silver caps>>> Omanisilver.com illustrate Othmanli links and there other similar structures from the east and bamboo containers seen carried in a bag perhaps attached to a belt or carried separately. The same designs are seen on Omani rings and bangles and a similar type of cap is used on Ladies Kohl containers. Often the metal container is multi sided like the Islamic Minarette … The cap itself is shaped like the Mosque Dome.

HERE ILLUSTRATED THOSE Multi sided containers from http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ANI+MATCHLOCKS

Dome topped kohl containers complete the trio...below

ariel 18th October 2019 12:38 AM

That's more likely.


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