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Sajen 9th April 2015 08:59 PM

Bagobo sword for comment
 
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A rather crazy story! :D Yesterday I get the information that there is a parcel at my local customs from the States for pickup. I was very confused since I don't remembered that I have bought something, you have to know that I only get the information from which State outside of the EU this parcel coming but not which sender has shipped it. So I phone them in the morning to ask which sender is written on the parcel. It is Auctions Imperial! :eek: I really forget that I have given some small bids to some items and never have get the information that I have won something by the last auction. And frankly said I have overlooked the payment from my VISA card. :rolleyes:

Here is what I have won: https://www.auctionflex.com/showlot....526225&lang=en Winning bid was $100.

It is not the best Bagobo sword I've seen but still nice and complete IMO. What you think how old this sword could be? All other comments are also very welcome.

Here the pictures from the auction.

Battara 10th April 2015 12:06 AM

Congratulations Detlef! I saw that at the auction. I would place this around the 1930s.

Unusual not to have a grip of bronze/brass..........

CharlesS 10th April 2015 12:34 AM

If I had seen this and not had the forum to refer to I would have thought this was T'boli. What characteristics make it Bagobo?

Thanks in advance.

Sajen 10th April 2015 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara
Congratulations Detlef! I saw that at the auction. I would place this around the 1930s.

Unusual not to have a grip of bronze/brass..........

Hello Jose,
thank you and good guess, now, when I have it in hand I would agree with your age guess. And also agree that it's unusual that it don't have a brass ferrule.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen 10th April 2015 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS
If I had seen this and not had the forum to refer to I would have thought this was T'boli. What characteristics make it Bagobo?

Thanks in advance.

Hello Charles,
the belly shape of the blade, the wooden handle and the scabbard style show that it is a Bagobo sword.

Here some typical examples:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=bagobo+sword, post #3
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=bagobo+sword, post #7 and #26

Here has Zel once explained the differences: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=bagobo+sword

Here are shown both, T'boli and Bagobo swords: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=T%23boli

A typical T'boli sword: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=T%23boli

And another one: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=T%23boli

Hope this helps and don't add more confusion.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen 12th April 2015 11:08 AM

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Here some few close-ups and some pictures together with my other Lumad swords, a Bagobo "kris" and a T'boli sword.

Robert 12th April 2015 06:45 PM

Hello Detlef, And another very nice sword added to your collection. Would the chains have originally ended with small bells, triangular pieces of brass or other decorative objects as I have seen on other Bagobo swords, or were chains just by themselves used as well? Its still having the original scabbard (and in such nice condition) really helps make this a great catch. My congratulations.

Best,
Robert

Sajen 12th April 2015 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert
Hello Detlef, And another very nice sword added to your collection. Would the chains have originally ended with small bells, triangular pieces of brass or other decorative objects as I have seen on other Bagobo swords, or were chains just by themselves used as well? Its still having the original scabbard (and in such nice condition) really helps make this a great catch. My congratulations.

Best,
Robert

Hello Robert,
thank you for your kind words. When I look to the shown Bogabo swords in the first two links in post #5 I think that chains without bells or other adornments has been quite common.

Regards,
Detlef

Battara 13th April 2015 12:06 AM

I concur with Detlef.

Nice Lumad sampling.

Sajen 13th April 2015 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara
I concur with Detlef.

Nice Lumad sampling.

Thank you Jose! :)

Regards,
Detlef


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