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weapons 27 7th March 2019 01:46 PM

sword and sheath for id please
 
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could you identify this sword and this sheath ..
the sheath must belong to another knife.
thank to all

Bob A 7th March 2019 02:55 PM

From the markings on the blade, and the shape of the handle, I'd put the sword somewhere in the Malay Archipelago.

While I've seen open-sided sheaths, I won't hazard a guess on this one's origin. (I haven't seen enough of them).

Rick 7th March 2019 03:08 PM

North Vietnamese, I would think. Possibly called a Guom although it's a bit short.
The decoration at the forte indicates this to me.

The scabbard ???

Tim Simmons 7th March 2019 04:10 PM

Chinese? sword blade made into 2 or 3 big knives in a jungle back woods settlement? Really like the scabbard. :cool:

josh stout 7th March 2019 04:49 PM

The decoration on the blade definitely says Vietnamese, and the rest of the construction is consistent with that, but the scabbard is a mystery.

Did they come from the same place, or are they just associated by a collector.

Does the sword fit, or are they unrelated?

Sajen 7th March 2019 06:56 PM

I am with Rick and Josh, the sword is clearly Vietnamese and like all others I don't remember to have seen before a similar scabbard. But it look like made for a hatchet, material and design point in direction China or surrounding area IMVHO.

Regards,
detlef

Ren Ren 7th March 2019 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons
Chinese? sword blade made into 2 or 3 big knives in a jungle back woods settlement? Really like the scabbard. :cool:

Vietnamese also used Chinese characters. In the fourth photo, the inscription 用家 "Yong's family" (if read in Mandarin). In Vietnamese, 用 reads like Dụng.

I agree that this sword comes from North or North-West Vietnam (where the borders with Laos and China are located). I have seen similar scabbard in the mountaineers of Laos. They carried knives like sickle into them.

Ren Ren 7th March 2019 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick
Possibly called a Guom although it's a bit short.

This is a good question :) Vietnamese use the word "Guom" (or "Kiem") when talking about special made military swords. Utility knives are called "Dao" (or "Zao"), even if they can be used as combat ones.

weapons 27 8th March 2019 11:22 AM

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I bought this sword with this sheath .. I was not sure he was going with this sword .....
apparently he would belong to that sword ...

Ren Ren 8th March 2019 01:03 PM

The first character in the fifth photo is difficult to understand. Maybe 倉. In this case, the whole inscription 倉玉. Pronounced "Cāng Y" (in Mandarin) or "Thương Ngọc" (in Vietnamese). Translated means "Cyan Jade". This is like the name of a person.

weapons 27 9th March 2019 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ren Ren
The first character in the fifth photo is difficult to understand. Maybe 倉. In this case, the whole inscription 倉玉. Pronounced "Cāng Y" (in Mandarin) or "Thương Ngọc" (in Vietnamese). Translated means "Cyan Jade". This is like the name of a person.

new photo character

Ren Ren 9th March 2019 01:34 PM

Thank you, so much better.

These are characters 食玉 handwritten in cursive. Pronounced "sh y" (in Mandarin) or "thực ngọc" (in Vietnamese). Translated "food jade". In a figurative sense, it means "premium food, gourmet detikates" - good wishes are often found on Vietnamese subjects.

weapons 27 11th March 2019 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ren Ren
Thank you, so much better.

These are characters 食玉 handwritten in cursive. Pronounced "sh y" (in Mandarin) or "thực ngọc" (in Vietnamese). Translated "food jade". In a figurative sense, it means "premium food, gourmet detikates" - good wishes are often found on Vietnamese subjects.

thank you very much for the translation

Ren Ren 11th March 2019 02:21 PM

It's my pleasure :)

KuKulzA28 12th March 2019 12:14 AM

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that sheath reminds me of how billhooks/machetes are often worn in Taiwan

also I found this online: http://www.huitu.com/newmedia/detai...0851968903.html

:shrug: looks similar...

Laneboy90 11th June 2019 06:02 PM

Help with identity,age,translation..tia
 
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Just trying to figure out if this is a yataghan. And who the maker is and how old

Ibrahiim al Balooshi 16th June 2019 12:02 PM

THE DATE SAYS 1212 Al Hijri and above that a note saying amal ahmed/hamed? made by ahmed/hamed?. That puts it in 1797 A.D. See https://habibur.com/hijri/1212/4/

PLEASE SHOW THE FULL WEAPON ...Thanks :shrug:
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Sajen 16th June 2019 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi
PLEASE SHOW THE FULL WEAPON ...Thanks :shrug:


And it would be great to create an own thread for this blade! ;)

Ibrahiim al Balooshi 16th June 2019 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen
And it would be great to create an own thread for this blade! ;)


Seconded !! :shrug:

Ian 16th June 2019 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by weapons 27
I bought this sword with this sheath .. I was not sure he was going with this sword .....
apparently he would belong to that sword ...
The style of large knife you show is common in northern Laos/Vietnam and has a strong Chinese flavor. This has already been discussed by others.

The open scabbard is one of many styles and was probably intended to carry a small mak. Although at one time the mak was a weapon, it is a common utility tool found widely in Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam. It is a curved utility knife somewhat resembling a sickle or bill hook, and a search of this site will show examples of varying lengths and styles (see here for example: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6204). Your scabbard would have held a short example of that working knife, which is used mainly to chop firewood, clear brush, etc.

Attached are three examples of mak. The two smaller ones are similar to what would have fitted originally in your scabbard. The longer one is used for heavier brush and cutting larger trunks.

Ian.
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