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VVV 24th March 2007 02:46 PM

Parang, probably from South Borneo
 
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Here is an unusual parang that I first suspected was the variation of the Sumba Kabeala that also could be found on Sulawesi.
But after discussing the motifs and style of it with Arjan we think that it probably is from the Banjarmasin area.
Any other feedback on this undocumented parang?

Michael

RhysMichael 24th March 2007 04:12 PM

A very nice piece. I have been told these hilts are stylized parrots heads do you know if this is true ?

VVV 24th March 2007 04:34 PM

Thanks,

I have heard so too. But regarding the Sumatran versions.

Michael

Dajak 24th March 2007 06:20 PM

Hi this is from South borneo area not from the dajaks

Ben

VVV 24th March 2007 11:26 PM

Hi Ben,

Yes, it's a Malay sword.

Michael

VVV 23rd August 2007 11:30 PM

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Here is another one that I believe come from the same place.
According to the article by Schmeltz from 1892 (the article that Flavio made available to us all - thanks!!!) those parang originates from SE Kalimantan in the old state of Pegatan.
He lists a resembling one (7a and b) as a Parang Kerekupang (whatever that means?).
Another name for a resembling SE Borneo parang is (Pisau) Kamudi Singkir (= Diagonally steer knife??? ).
See also Leiden 761-22, 781-85 and 761-27 as a reference.

Michael

Dajak 23rd August 2007 11:34 PM

Hi I found information in an museum that these are from celebes

Ben

VVV 23rd August 2007 11:41 PM

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Hi Ben,

It's correct that a variation of these parang are found in Sulawesi too - see f.i. the pictures from Grubauer, Unter Kopfjägern in Central-Celebes, below (kopfjägern = headhunters in German).
But if you look close, like I know you always do ;), it's not the same parang. Even if they look similar from a distance.

Michael

Ian 24th August 2007 04:05 AM

Michael:

I'm interested in the emblem seen on the sheath of your first example. Do you know what the two four-leafed flowers might be called. There is a similar emblem on some Visayan sword sheaths from the Philippines.

Ian.

Dajak 24th August 2007 07:33 AM

Hi Michael it is more the scabbard and the pamor blade not much seen in Borneo

Ben

VVV 24th August 2007 08:05 AM

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Hi Ben,

I agree that this kind of scabbard and pamor blade isn't what you usually see in Borneo. That's why I find these SE Borneo-Malay parang interesting as exceptions.

I assume you are still travelling, and didn't bring your own computer, so you can't check the references I have given above?
Here is the Parang from Schmeltz I referred to before.
The Leiden collection database is found on http://www.rmv.nl/

Michael

VVV 24th August 2007 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian
Michael:

I'm interested in the emblem seen on the sheath of your first example. Do you know what the two four-leafed flowers might be called. There is a similar emblem on some Visayan sword sheaths from the Philippines.

Ian.

Ian,

I don't have a local Malay name for it (probably Bunga something? :rolleyes: ).
In Juynboll's catalogue of the Leiden Borneo collection (German version) he just calls it a "rosette".
So does van der Hoop, too, in Indonesian Ornamental Design on a resembling motif from W Java.

Michael


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