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mross 25th April 2006 05:19 PM

Javanese Tempius, Pedang Tusuk scabbard design question
 
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I just recently acquired this from Alam Shah. Thanks. :D I have a question on
the center part of the design. Any thoughts on why it is left plain? Alam, sent
me some urls' of others that share the same idea, so it seems to be a consistent pattern. So what are your thoughts?

PS The photos are from Alam. The can all be seen here;

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php

nechesh 25th April 2006 05:30 PM

Quite possibly because that is the area of the sheath that would be up against the body under the belt?

Battara 25th April 2006 11:48 PM

I'm with Nechesh on this one. It would be in a belt or sash.

BluErf 26th April 2006 03:20 PM

It may have more significance than simply because it is the part that goes under the sash. In the Javanese context, they have textiles worn in the Courts which has dyed patterns at the peripheral of the cloth, but a central diamond-shaped portion is left white intentionally. It seemed to have the significance of representing protection against evil spirits or external elements which may harm the wearer.

If we look at the motifs on the sheath, we have vegetation, and in some other examples, animals and or mythical beasts. Sometimes there are mountains and clouds too. That would represent the world that the owner lived in - fraught with dangers and natural elements. The blank portion would seem to represent a safe sanctum against the outside world.

Perhaps fellow forumnites from Java can explain better.

mross 27th April 2006 05:32 PM

Both explainations sound plausabile. This a great forum for finding out this type
of information. This is a fun and informative place to hang out. Thanks to all.

nechesh 28th April 2006 02:00 PM

After talking with a few people i have reached a different conclusion that this may be more about pure stylistic influences and nothing more.
Beginning in the 1700`s European culture and style began to influence Javanese style and culture. European clothes and dress styles were adopted by the Javanese upper class and elites. You can see a good illustration of this in a mid-19th century lithograph reprinted in van Duuren's "The Kris" on page 60 which depicts a Madurese prince wearing a European military jacket and tri-corner hat a part of his royal dress.
Weapons were no exception to this influence from the West. The typical European scabbard for a sword, as seen by the Javanese, had a metal chape and locket, with the central part of the scabbard smooth wood, or wood covered with leather. The Javanese copied European blade styles, and European scabbards, and many examples of Javanese swords can be found where the sword is a direct copy of a European sword, or is a mix of both European and Javanese styles, perhaps with a Javanese style blade housed in a European style scabbard.
Later, when Javanese scabbards began to be made of metal, the appearance of the old style scabbard with metal chape and locket, and smooth central section, was imitated.
So there is one other explanation you can add to the possible reasons for these motifs. :)

BluErf 30th April 2006 03:06 AM

Oh, that is indeed an interesting but plausible way of looking at it!

There is one example of a pedang which has the blank space on its silver oversheath enclosed even on the vertical sides by motifs. I'll see if I can get pictures. That would make an interesting comparison.


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