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kai 12th March 2018 12:56 PM

Thanks, Willem! Makes you wonder what else is slipping under the radar... ;)

asomotif 12th March 2018 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kai
Thanks, Willem! Makes you wonder what else is slipping under the radar... ;)

Still things to wish for indeed, waiting in someone's drawer or attic.

Jentayu 29th May 2019 02:29 PM

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Sewar with gold crown and suasa hilt

Jentayu 29th May 2019 02:31 PM

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sewar

Battara 30th May 2019 02:39 AM

A beautiful example! Would you please show pictures of the whole piece?

Jentayu 30th May 2019 01:51 PM

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Full picture of the sewar

Battara 30th May 2019 05:59 PM

Thank you so much!

One day when I grow up, I'll own an example just like this. :D

One more request: would you post a picture of the end of the pommel please?

Bob A 30th May 2019 08:47 PM

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Unlike Jose, I have little hope of progressing to adulthood. If it hasn't happened yet, I doubt the day will arrive.

Meanwhile, a few pics of my crowned rencong. When I purchased it, I thought it was an unhappy marriage between blade and sheath. The seller told me that its rattling around in the large opening was typical of the are; I doubt it, as every other example of weaponry I have from the area is pretty snug. But who can say?

Anyway, there seems to be traces of gold in the punched decoration on one side of the piece. I assume the rest has been worn off over the years.

Battara 31st May 2019 04:17 AM

Nice Bob. I agree - there was originally gold in those worn down engraved grooves.

Jentayu 31st May 2019 01:27 PM

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Picture of back of the pommel

Battara 1st June 2019 09:19 PM

Thank you so much. I am a little surprised that the top is flat and plain.

asomotif 2nd June 2019 11:13 PM

What a lovely and fine enamel decoration on this sewar.
I like the suasa handle. :)

Loedjoe 5th June 2019 04:21 PM

Crowns on Aceh weapons revisited
 
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Here is another siwaih - not quite up to the high standard of many of the others shown in this thread.
Black wood hilt with highlights of reddish brown (ebony?), black wood sheath with dugong ivory tip and ivory projection. 42 cm, blade 27 cm (9 mm thick at the base), hilt 10.5 cm. A band presumably missing an inch or so below the top of the sheath.

Battara 5th June 2019 05:57 PM

Another wonder example, many thanks!

I would LOVE to have one of these! :D

Sajen 5th June 2019 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Loedjoe
Black wood hilt with highlights of reddish brown (ebony?),.....

Very nice example, like Jose I would like to have such an example in my collection! And yes, I think it's ebony. It's a worthy wood and not cheaper as akhar bahar or ivory!

Regards,
Detlef

Battara 8th June 2019 04:00 AM

I think you are right Detlef. As I re-examined the pictures, the material does look like makassar ebony at best (and purposely burned wood at the worst).

Almost makes me wonder if this was a replacement for broken akhar bahar or ivory.

kai 8th June 2019 10:17 PM

We really have to keep in mind that the most precious timbers can be more expensive and rarer than ivory or gold. In the good ol' days, the latter could be easily sourced if you had any decent amount of funds. Special wood like burl, especially with strong chatoyance, correct grain for carving, and possibly extra features needed to be searched for, cured for extended periods, and correctly selected by experienced artisans for the very task - it often wasn't at hand at the whim of the customer. If this hilt is antique, the selection of materials wasn't spurious...

I can't tell this wood from the pics. It seems to have rather large pores for any type of ebony. It might be one of the rarer hardwoods - tough to tell from pics!

Regards,
Kai

kai 8th June 2019 10:21 PM

Tim asked me to extend thanks to all who responded!

He seems to have problems with logging in and I hope he'll be back soon.

Regards,
Kai

Loedjoe 21st August 2019 11:52 AM

Is this a double or a triple crown?
 
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This sikin panjang (length 74.3 cm, blade 57 cm., no scabbard) has an unusual 'third' crown above a normal double crown. Has anyone seen a similar addition above the usual crown? And what was the purpose of it - to make a double crown into a triple one? Any comments from the experts would be most welcome.

kai 22nd August 2019 10:15 PM

Hello Tim,

Good to have you back!

I’d vote for 2.5. ;)

The general crown type is of the glupa configuration (2 crowns), with an added ferrule-like ring as is also seen on a few rencong. I reckon this is an original design.

A nice addition to the family!

Regards,
Kai

A. G. Maisey 22nd August 2019 10:46 PM

This thread has been running for quite some time, but I have never looked at it previously.

When I look at these "crowns", it strikes me that I am looking at a representation of the tumpal motif.

Has anybody thought to investigate this?

thomas hauschild 3rd November 2019 06:31 AM

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Asomotif asked me to show the crown on a sikin parang of my collection.

Not with gold inlay. Made of bronce maybe (or hopefully) made of souasa.

Best thomas

kai 3rd November 2019 06:39 PM

Certainly genuine and likely suasa - have it tested, Thomas!

I've seen a few in suasa without engraving nor enamel while I can't remember ever having seen one in gold without the traditional motifs (enamel can miss from older examples, probably from loss rather than original design).

Regards,
Kai

Jentayu 19th January 2021 12:42 PM

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3 variations of Aceh siwah

kai 19th January 2021 08:04 PM

Wow, splendid examples, Jentayu!

Some more pics of those examples not posted before would be really kind!

Regards,
Kai

Battara 20th January 2021 12:58 AM

I want all 3 of them! :D

asomotif 20th January 2021 11:54 PM

Wow !

One day when I grow up I would like to have just one siwah like that. ;)

Really nice, thank you for sharing.

Best regards,
Willem

asomotif 25th September 2021 12:11 PM

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Just from sharing,
1 sikin from the sold items at MTW.
perfect condition with nice inlay in the blade.

asomotif 29th September 2021 01:34 PM

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Here is one variation that I have never seen before.
A hulu Peusangan combined with a golden glupa.

Battara 30th September 2021 02:14 AM

I've seen it before, but it is truly rare, and I personally don't understand it.


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