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weapons 27 19th April 2013 04:24 PM

knife for identification please
 
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can you give me the origin of this knife
measure 23cm long, the blade 13cm

thank

Chris Evans 20th April 2013 10:45 AM

Hi,

Does it have a sheath?


Cheers
Chris

weapons 27 20th April 2013 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Evans
Hi,

Does it have a sheath?


Cheers
Chris

no!!!

Tim Simmons 20th April 2013 12:32 PM

Reminds me of those Spanish American / Brazil knives? Fancy hunting or even rather grand table knife for big meat feasts.

Héctor 20th April 2013 07:01 PM

Olá a todos, pela características gerais de construção e do materiais usados para fabricação da faca, existem uma grande possibilidade de ser uma faca brasileira.
O uso do marfim torneado e do chifre incrustado, da prata em relevo com desenhos característicos, e os sulcos da lamina, a primeira vista remontam as primeiras décadas dos anos 1900, e lembra muito as facas produzidas na região sudeste.
Já o sistema de montagem do cabo com um parafuso no pomo, denuncia que foi produzida após 1940, este sistema permite a troca da lamina com o reaproveitamento do valioso cabo. As facas mais antigas tinham a espiga remanchada, e os cabos preenchidos com uma espécie de argamassa, conhecida por ‘’cimento de cuteleiro’’, com o passar dos anos e com o desgaste das laminas, foi criada a técnica do parafuso no pomo, que permite a desmontagem da empunhadura, a argamassa de preenchimento deixou de ser usada e foi substituída pelo breu.
Neste exemplar apresentado, existe a presença da guarda em latão, algo incomum para este tipo de faca, a referida guarda não possui sequer algum resquício de trabalho artesanal, no que se refere a adornos, como o restante da peça. As facas produzidas nesta região e que possuíam guarda, em geral eram do mesmo material da empunhadura e de um tamanho menor, como podemos reparar esta guarda parece que foi cortada, então é possível supor que fosse bem maior. É uma peça que provavelmente foi colocada, bem depois que a faca estava pronta, ou para substituir a anterior, que talvez fosse muito pequena ou tenha sido danificada. Embora pareça uma pequena faca de caça, como citou Tim Simmons. Entretanto nesta época, este tipo de lamina para caça, eram todas importadas e finamente trabalhadas, inclusive a lamina. E esta é uma faca artesanal, é muito provável que tivesse uma bainha, ou totalmente de prata, ou couro com bocal e ponteira de prata.

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Hello to all, the general construction and the materials used to manufacture the knife, there is a high possibility of being a Brazilian knife.
The use of ivory and horn inlaid machined, silver embossed with characteristic designs, and the grooves of the blade, at first sight back the first decades of the 1900s, and is very reminiscent of the knives produced in the Southeast.
Already the system cable assembly with a screw on pommel, denounces that was produced after 1940, this system allows the exchange of the blade with the reuse of valuable cable. Knives older had the ear remanchada and cables filled with a kind of mortar, known as'' cement'' cutler, over the years and the wear of the blades, the technique was created in the bone screw, allowing disassembly of the handle, the mortar filling is no longer used and was replaced by pitch.
In this example shown, the presence of the guard is made ​​of brass, unusual for this type of knife, said guard does not even have any trace of craftsmanship, as regards the loud as the rest of the part. The knives produced in this region and who had custody, were generally the same material of the handle and a smaller size, how can we fix this guard looks like it was cut, then it is possible to assume that it was much longer. It is a piece that was probably placed well after the knife was ready, or to replace the previous, it might be too small or has been damaged. Although it seems a small hunting knife, as quoted Tim Simmons. But this time, this type of blade for hunting, they were all imported and finely worked, including the blade. And this is a craft knife, it is very likely that had a hem, or entirely of silver, or leather, nozzle and tip silver.

Chris Evans 21st April 2013 03:25 AM

Hi,

Hector summed it up very well and also agree that the hand guard is atypical.

The blade looks like a cut down sword or bayonet blade, more typical of early renditions of this format.

Cheers
Chris


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