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mykeris 8th May 2012 05:21 AM

BUGIS KERIS HILT MOTIF/ SIGNIFICANCE/ID??
 
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FOUND THIS. mykeris.

Rick 8th May 2012 06:16 AM

Looks like .... fusion . :)

mykeris 8th May 2012 07:35 AM

Nope, its Latin! :)

Jean 8th May 2012 09:19 AM

Nice and rare piece, Bugis style with carved tip, may be from Jambi? Could you please show the whole kris?
Regards

mykeris 8th May 2012 12:11 PM

happy viewing Jean...looks like it has never gone to the battle field. :)

Marcokeris 8th May 2012 12:39 PM

Beautiful keris in beautiful dress with beautiful hilt (i like a lot the hilt )

Jean 8th May 2012 01:28 PM

Very nice kris indeed and looking original, hopefully other members will comment about its most probable origin. :)
Regards

Gustav 8th May 2012 01:43 PM

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Riau/Jambi. The proportions of base of blade of this keris are similar, and pendokok (of the same kind) was some longer time together with this blade and hilt.

The hilt is exceptionally nice of course, one could see a Kakatua's head in the scrollwork perhaps.

mykeris 8th May 2012 04:31 PM

wow..this is beautiful too. :)

Sajen 8th May 2012 05:33 PM

Agree with the others, this hilt style is attributed to Jambi. Look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi or here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi or here where can find also the hint to the Kris Disc from Jensen: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi

Very beautiful hilt and keris, congrats!

Regards,

Detlef

David 9th May 2012 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen
Agree with the others, this hilt style is attributed to Jambi. Look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi or here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi or here where can find also the hint to the Kris Disc from Jensen: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=jambi

Very beautiful hilt and keris, congrats!

Regards,

Detlef

Sorry Detlef, but the threads you linked to don't show hilts that look like this one to me. That doesn't discount Jambi, but this hilt is a distinctly different style to my eyes... :shrug:

Henk 9th May 2012 07:00 PM

I have to agree with David. It is a Bugis keris in all ways. The carving on the hilt I would call extraordinary and well executed. Never seen something like this and probably made after the wishes of the former owner.

Sajen 9th May 2012 11:14 PM

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Here all hilts side by side. Before I write an answer I want to see them byself side by side.

Sajen 9th May 2012 11:22 PM

Ok, after viewing them all four side by side I have to say that the hilt in question isn't so much "erected" like the three others but when I have to give an opinion about it's origin I still would guess Jambi but I don't want to put my hand in fire for my guess! ;) :D

At last only the carver could give a certain answer if it is Jambi in origin but I doubt that we can ask him. :D :rolleyes:

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen 10th May 2012 12:04 AM

I just have had a look to the krisdisc fro Jensen chapter 9,3 pages 25-29, special the hilt shown on page 27 let me lean towards my first guess that this hilt is most probable from Jambi.

BluErf 10th May 2012 02:13 PM

Very inspired work! Possibly one-of-a-kind :)

DAHenkel 12th May 2012 10:31 AM

I think it is very difficult to specifically ID this keris as coming from Jambi. At best we can say Melaka Straits region...more likely to the south...perhaps Jambi, perhaps Siak or Riau...perhaps even Palembang. Too little is known yet to be more specific than that.

But I can be specific about one thing...it is an extraordinary keris! I'm jealous...congrats!!

mykeris 12th May 2012 10:55 AM

TQ Dave and all, mykeris :)

kai 12th May 2012 10:25 PM

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Thanks, Dave! I agree that this hilt isn't close enough to the hilt style attributed to Jambi to nail down its exact origin - the straits area does seem like a safer estimate.

Here's another hilt that seems more closely related. (From this thread.)

Regards,
Kai

David 13th May 2012 12:41 AM

That's real pretty Kai... :)

kai 14th May 2012 08:00 AM

Thanks, David. It was love on first sight and Freddy was kind enough to pass this keris on to me.

The major difference between the two hilts is their size: Noramin's example is a full-size version while mine is diminutive - this probably also accounts for some of the stylistic differences while the general flow of lines does seem to be pretty close. A detailed side by side comparison would be nice - I certainly would be glad to provide some family reunion shots... ;)

Regards,
Kai


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