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Cerjak 31st May 2013 11:25 AM

Taza Rapier for comment
 
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Hi everybody,
Here some pictures from my last acquisition a TAZA rapier.
The seller was not able to tell the me origin and only told me that it was a late 17 TH century sword.
I expect that one member could confirm me period and origin.

Regards

Cerjak

Cerjak 31st May 2013 11:28 AM

more pics
 
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more pictures

fernando 31st May 2013 07:13 PM

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Very nice sword.
Spanish ... Italian ?
Strange that the quillon ends are so simple, comparing to the sophistication of the whole guard.
Late 17th century seems to be O.K. :o
Make sure there is no smith's mark in any of the ricasso sides.

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Valjhun 1st June 2013 12:49 AM

Something odd about that piece, quillons as Fernando mentioned and the blade lenght also... it seems too short... what is its lengt?

Cerjak 1st June 2013 09:18 AM

Dear Fernando

Yes there is something like smith's mark here but very dificult to see because of the cup ,I will try to find the way to put my eye there.

Regards
Cerjak

Cerjak 1st June 2013 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerjak
Dear Fernando

Yes there is something like smith's mark here but very dificult to see because of the cup ,I will try to find the way to put my eye there.

Regards
Cerjak

here some extra close up pictures but from photos it will be very hard to see something ....

Cerjak 1st June 2013 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Valjhun
Something odd about that piece, quillons as Fernando mentioned and the blade lenght also... it seems too short... what is its lengt?

Hi Valjhun
Total size Around 100 cm so could be shorter than is genuine size ...
Regards

Cerjak

fernando 1st June 2013 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerjak
here some extra close up pictures but from photos it will be very hard to see something ....

However there is a mark there; some relieve is visible ;) .

fernando 1st June 2013 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerjak
Hi Valjhun
Total size Around 100 cm so could be shorter than is genuine size ...
Regards

Cerjak

Not necessarily. Some cup hilt swords have such length; i have a couple myself.

VANDERNOTTE 1st June 2013 10:24 PM

rapier
 
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i have one similar. the blade is marked " SEBASTIAN HERNANDEZ"
maby is a victorian copy?????
sword 115 cm
blade 98 cm
regard
jacques

fernando 2nd June 2013 01:19 PM

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i have one similar. the blade is marked " SEBASTIAN HERNANDEZ"
maby is a victorian copy?????

Similar ... but not that much :o .
... and what makes you think it is a Victorian copy, Jacques ? :confused: -
Can you give a clue ?

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VANDERNOTTE 2nd June 2013 07:59 PM

rapier
 
maestro fernando
he ahi mis alegatos
1)no smith mark
2)no cabala
3) the blade is thick whis no flexibility
4)i suspect the screws and thread ar not correct
5)the sword don't look 300 years old
6) my feeling
que tengas un lindo domingo
regard
jacques

Dmitry 6th June 2013 05:49 PM

I like the 2nd sword, the 1st sword...those quillons are funky. It must've belonged to a ninja.
Why would someone remove both quillon terminals and sharpen the ends? I don't think I remember seeing something like that.
The owner of this sword was one bad hombre. :)

Cerjak 19th June 2013 02:09 PM

Hi Dmitry
Possible that someone remove both quillon terminals and sharpen the ends but in this case may be it was more efficient during the fight ...

Dmitry 24th June 2013 03:09 PM

Bonjour, Cerjak.
That is possible, but how would he wear the sword when he wasn't fighting, but going for a leisurely stroll ? The sharp quillons would surely stab him when he walked, rip his clothing, as well as other people that he passed by on the narrow streets. Unless they were covered with some type of removable caps...
It's a tough one. I figure we'd see other period swords with sharpened quillons. Imho they were as dangerous for other people, as they were for the owner, if he were to use that sword for what it was meant to do.
:shrug:


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