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kulbuntet 16th March 2011 06:29 PM

Keris for comment, and dapur request. Keris madura lok 11, dapur carita Kaprabon?
 
Hi all, her some photo's of a Keris madura(?), lok 11. I cant figure out what dapur it is. All ricikan i see are... 2 lambe gajah, kembang kacang, Jalen, Sraweyan, Sogokan, Greneng( not sure, worn off), Pijetan, Gusen.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._8166592_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._4497096_n.jpg

Anny ideas are welcome, so are comments in general.

Regards
Ab

Amuk Murugul 18th March 2011 01:02 AM

Hullo Ab,

In the absence of other input so far, here is my twee-duit's worth:
It's very difficult to determine the dapur from photos ( It also depends on which protocol you follow).
However, from what you say and looking at the photos, perhaps you may wish to look at the following: Sabuk Inten, Carita, Carita Kalentang.

Hope it helps,

mvg.

PenangsangII 18th March 2011 02:32 AM

I am not sure how this keris is attributed to madura.

From the photos, it looks like Mataraman (Senopaten style).
Dapur could be Charita Keprabhon or the ones Amuk Murugul suggested.

A. G. Maisey 18th March 2011 06:08 AM

There are a couple of problems with this keris, firstly we cannot see if it had greneng or not.

If it had greneng it is either Carita Prasaja, or Carita Keprabon ( Pakem Surakarta)

If it did not have greneng it is diluar pakem according to the Surakarta Pakem --- but it could well have an assigned dhapur according to a different pakem.

The other problem is the blumbangan:- this is boto adeg

A Mataram keris has a square blumbangan, not one like a brick standing on end.

Majapahit has boto adeg, so does Surakarta, and Banten may or may not have boto adeg.

This is definitely not a Madura keris --- but it does have a nice Madura hilt.

Frankly, I'm not prepared to give an opinion on what classification this keris might be, but based upon what I can see I am quite prepared to say what it cannot be, and it cannot be Madura.

kulbuntet 20th March 2011 08:53 PM

Gentlemen,
Thank you all for input. If i can be in help to post more photo's or phot of a special detail, please let me now.

I named het Keris Madura Dua to the Hilt and Mendak combination, the sarung could be Solo, or other Jawa.. I dont think it's Madura, since i dont know a Madura Waranka like it. Anny extra input and info appriciated.

Regards.


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