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francantolin 28th April 2020 10:33 AM

swedish cutlass ?
 
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Hello everybody,

I bought this cutlass without knowing it's origin,
I liked his kukri shape like !
I think it's a real old model

I found informations telling it is a swedish ? naval knife-cutlass

Do specialists know these ''stamps'' : A&E.H a crown and GvA on the guard

a 1848 or Later edition ?

? Kind regards

francantolin 28th April 2020 11:56 AM

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Better with these no pdf pictures,
I had problems to insert them this morning...

francantolin 28th April 2020 12:00 PM

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Now that the pictures are ok !...

The cutlass-knife came with this item sold as a dagger,

I think more a shortened sword,
maybe an european british model ?

David R 28th April 2020 01:18 PM

I think the brass handled one is a Bandsman's short sword.

corrado26 28th April 2020 02:38 PM

No, as far as I'm informed this is the Swedish infantry side arm (Faschinenmesser) M 1848

francantolin 28th April 2020 03:18 PM

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Hello Thank you David and Corrado for your comments !

Thank you David for the Bandsman short sword info,
I like the brass lion's head
I thought about a shortened sword because the blade ends
in a strange way...
What do you think ?

Kind regards

corrado26 28th April 2020 03:45 PM

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Here some more fotos of the Swedish knife M 1848

francantolin 28th April 2020 03:59 PM

Thank you Corrado,

Yes sadly the scabbard is missing !...

I wonder why the are so many ''differents marks'' or blacksmiths/factory
for exactly the same model ?

( why I was asking about ''my'' stamps )

Victrix 28th April 2020 05:20 PM

It’s a Swedish Faskinkniv m/1848. It was produced under licence by Solingen based A&E Holler. I think the GvA is the stamp of the inspection officer but I don’t have the name although the “v” should be for von.

francantolin 28th April 2020 05:46 PM

Waohh ! Solingen A&H Holler
You nailed it ! Thank you !!!

( for the GvA and the crown, I will try to put a better picture...)

MacCathain 28th April 2020 09:47 PM

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The Swedish fascine knife m1848 was originally intended for the infantry, or at least parts of it. It seems to have become a standard infantry sidearm on the whole, and some examples are thought to have been used by police forces.

Some personnel in units of the coastal artillery were originally in the army, but transferred to the navy (which had responsibility for coastal artillery operations), and brought their sidearms with them. Some of these had the m/1848. This seems to be the extent of its use in the navy.

The trooper shown in the photo is of the Norrlands Trainkår, a train regiment, which handled the logistical requirements of troop equipment and supply.

David R 28th April 2020 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by francantolin
Hello Thank you David and Corrado for your comments !

Thank you David for the Bandsman short sword info,
I like the brass lion's head
I thought about a shortened sword because the blade ends
in a strange way...
What do you think ?

Kind regards

It's hard to say with these things, there are umpteen variations on the theme, and they were not (as far as a know) really regarded as a weapon so much as a uniform accessory, like buff leather belts and epaulettes. Not my speciality area, and I have little doubt but that others will weigh in with more and better information.

Victrix 28th April 2020 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCathain
The Swedish fascine knife m1848 was originally intended for the infantry, or at least parts of it. It seems to have become a standard infantry sidearm on the whole, and some examples are thought to have been used by police forces.

Some personnel in units of the coastal artillery were originally in the army, but transferred to the navy (which had responsibility for coastal artillery operations), and brought their sidearms with them. Some of these had the m/1848. This seems to be the extent of its use in the navy.

The trooper shown in the photo is of the Norrlands Trainkår, a train regiment, which handled the logistical requirements of troop equipment and supply.

I think the main purpose of the fascine knife was to cut branches and small trees with which to construct fascines which were then filled with soil to create cover for infantry. So I believe it was mostly intended to be used as a practical tool rather than a weapon, although it was clearly labelled a weapon and was said to be effective in close combat. Infantry at this time mostly relied on the rifle and bayonet rather than sword. Eventually it seems to have been worn by NCOs and for guard duty etc. There was a separate cutlas for the navy (not to be confused with the faskinkniv) which is impressive with a knuckleguard.

Battara 29th April 2020 02:04 AM

I'll send this over to the European Side for more responses (and more appropriate ).

francantolin 29th April 2020 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara
I'll send this over to the European Side for more responses (and more appropriate ).

Ok Thank you !


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