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David R 3rd April 2012 10:18 PM

Kilij.
 
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Another of my bargain box pieces. Most stuff I get my hands on, I have a good idea of provinance and date, but the odd item I would really like input from someone better informed than myself. This is a Kilij, but from where?
Full tang, horn grip scales held by a concealed pin. Multi fullered blade with differing numbers of, as they go up the blade. Yelman, and so a kilij rather than a shamshir. The blade is quite light in weight, and I think a plain steel rather than anything patterned.
Alas the guard is missing, and the scabbard reduced to a stripped core, all metal gone.
Comments and suggestions welcomed and indeed invited. Pardon the photo's, I do my best.

David R 6th April 2012 11:52 PM

More info on the sword if that helps.
Blade length 79cm, 31 inches. Grip/hilt length 13cm or 5 inches, measurements taken from/to the point where the horn grip ends, an area showing remains of resin used to secure the guard, blade width 3.15 cm or 1.2 inches, thickness just over 4 mill, or about an eighth of an inch.

TVV 10th April 2012 01:15 AM

David,

Sorry nobody has responded. Yes, this is the Ottoman sword that we collectors like to call kilij, after the Turkish word for sword.

Teodor

broadaxe 10th April 2012 05:25 PM

Interesting piece. This type is sometimes identified as naval saber, possibly Greek.

BerberDagger 10th April 2012 06:21 PM

in my opinion the blade is ottoman , it is a very nice blade congratualtion.

TKV 14th April 2012 03:35 PM

These straight-bladed swords were used in Ottoman Navy

David R 14th April 2012 05:30 PM

Thanks everyone. There seems to be a concensus that it is Ottoman Navy, which makes it for me an even more interesting sword. Also gives me a direction for my next search, which is what style of guard it would have had.
I had wondered if it was Central Asian, because of the multi fullering, but the grip style and lack of curvature did not fit with that idea.

A.alnakkas 15th April 2012 08:02 PM

David,

The crossguard should look something like this one:

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=3925

David R 16th April 2012 01:31 AM

Thankyou.
That guard is quite a bit different to the normal ones you see, I shall have to see what I can make.


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